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Post by sibemom on Jan 29, 2004 17:38:36 GMT -5
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Post by Willow on Jan 29, 2004 20:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on Jan 29, 2004 22:12:16 GMT -5
I've heard of "clicker" trainers up here in southern ontario but you don't find them everywhere....
I think (and I am going to stick my neck out here) when you find a "clicker" trianed dog, its one of the dogs that has a laid back temperment, eager to please and basically, doens't do anything its handler doesn't tell it too...does that make sense....ok, so what I am saying is that the clicker matches the dog (you pick a breed).
Since there are as many temperments in dogs as in humans, I can see where someone doesn't have the drive to be an assertive owner with thier dog...we have a neighbour who has a aussie shep and when she saw the pinch collar on Rocky she gasped and said she'd never use one like that on her dog (she said it in a nice way)...so she uses a kinder, gentler training tactic with her dog. Izzy is a nice, shy, laid back aussie....won't say boo to no one and is attached to her owners side...no need for firmer corrections, this dog is gold! (and clicker ready if that was an option for training).
Rocky is a well behaved GSD...he also, when he was younger, was a little sh*t sometimes and pushed the puppy thing right to the edge of the envelope. I don't think clicker training would of done it for him (ok, my opinion only here)...add in some dog v dog aggression and no way would a clicker even come close....click click GRRROWOWOWOWWWOOFFF FF FFOOWWOW CLICK CLICK GGGGROWOOWOWOOFFFF....I would probably find myself continuing to make excuses for my dog (like a lot of folks do who don't do any training at all).
One last point; I know trianing is a personal thing...perhaps shy, reserved people like the clicker training and the positive only re-inforcing is non-confrontational too. Other outgoing people who like to be more in control will take a more aggressive appraoch to training (such as pinch collars and motivational corrections) but as long as there is that difference in personality, you'll see the positive only types sneer ing at the pinch collar types and vice versa....
No right way...just the way you want it to be...
-Richard
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Post by Ioana on Jan 30, 2004 0:55:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the info - I have so much more to learn
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Post by Aussienot on Jan 30, 2004 1:10:41 GMT -5
We all do! A good trainer never stops learning. I reckon a bad trainer never starts learning . . . .
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Post by sibemom on Jan 30, 2004 6:05:21 GMT -5
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Post by Willow on Jan 30, 2004 10:56:17 GMT -5
[quote Anyway as was said some dogs might respond to this method but you do need to match the training to the dog. I have seen way to many people with unruley mutts trying to do the purley positive and get nowhere. When you suggest other methods they get VERY upset. I have heard comments like "I dont want my dog to hate me" as the dog is dragging them halfway across the state. [/quote] Yes, just what Richard said too, but as you both state also....in most cases matching the training to the dog just doesn't happen. That's why there are so many out of control dogs out there! I also believe it depends on the breed of dog, yes, but more on the individual dog, and when a meek, *I could never use one of those torture devise collar's on my dog* type of person picks a huge, very *confident* GSD, Pitt Bull, or Lab, for that matter...the outcome is pretty much predictable. That's why there are Shelters and breed rescues to try to pick up the pieces.
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Post by Richard on Jan 30, 2004 11:13:11 GMT -5
Excellent point Wilow....I'd hate to see how Rocky would of turned out in my nieghbours hands...can you imagine??? I knew I was getting a headstrong purebred german bloodlines GSD but even then, I still had to play catchup but once we got him where we wanted him life just got better for all of us. And I also agree, sadly, about the dogs who end up in the shelter or rescues...this past summer, a lady who we were in SAR training with said someone on a Sunday morning just left a beautiful female GSD (about 2 years old) with no collar/tags on in the parkette beside her house. She finally got the dog to come close and she corralled it and called the animal control folks. A nieghbour said he saw a van pull up around 6am and a door open and the dog jump out and the van take off...nice eh?....she couldn't keep her cuz she already has a female gsd but we were really looking at going for her...five days later, the owner apparently showed up and picked her up......is that how you treat a dog (especially a GSD? ) or any dog for that matter.... It's the incompetance of many human beings who buy a dog with thier heart and figure they'll work out the details later (that visa and pet shop thing again)...then they try to use a training method that sucks cuz they didn't research the breed or training method and mucks things up even more....then who suffers...poor dog that is who... -Richard
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Post by Willow on Jan 30, 2004 14:51:17 GMT -5
I brother in law was just given a 5 mo. old Golden puppy. He wasn't ready for a 2nd dog yet, after losing his older dog this past year, but his neighbor's daughter went out and bought this puppy and had it home for two hours and called her mother and said she didn't want the dog, and if her mother didn't come and get him, he was going to the pound!!! Needless to say, her mother went and got the dog and begged my brother in law to take him, so he did, and he loves him of course!
This same young lady had a wonderful female Lab a couple years back and called me when I was in the rescue to take her. In the meantime, her brother took her and the mother said she's a wonderul dog!
There should be some way to guarantee this woman never gets another dog as long as she lives!
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Post by sibemom on Jan 30, 2004 18:12:46 GMT -5
See those are the types I have dealt with so many times . They get a pup, get tired with it in a short amount of time when they figure out that it takes some effort to train them (regardless of breed) and then when things don't work out they dump it on those of us who would take it, and then start all over again to ruin another dog. These types of people must think that dogs are dissposiable. They are probably the same ones who when their children get out of controll they dump them on others to clean up the mess
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Post by Willow on Jan 30, 2004 20:24:52 GMT -5
This particular young lady runs a daycare out of her home.
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Post by Ioana on Jan 31, 2004 1:37:53 GMT -5
Some people think that they get a dog in it is going to be like going to the movies - all perfect- just sit down and get cozy and everything will work out by itself. There is no way that horrible things like dogs being abandoned and abused can be avoided unless the possible new owners are being thouroughly interviewed. I had a few kitties I needed to give away - from feral cats I take care off - and I made sure I asked the proper questions + encouraged the *new parents* to call me at any time they needed advice with anything or just didn't want the cat anymore. Everything worked out perfect in the end - we kept in touch and the kitties are loved. So I guess it would take a lot of time till the shelters can develop programs where they can work with *the parents*. I know we all deal with different situations in life and sometimes we can't understand things that other people seem to get righ taway. But it strikes me straight in the heart when a person is capable of abandoning a being and not think about it. Especially something so pure like a child or an animal
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Post by sibemom on Jan 31, 2004 9:48:19 GMT -5
A few months ago I was working with a dog (who is a cousin to Blade) owned by a woman I work with. This dog is 3 and fully intact and had *NO MANNERS* what so ever These people got him and thought they could just tie him outside and let him develope naturaly. Really bad move for any dog much less a husky. Well she was at her wits end, and very confused why Blade was well behavied for the most part and hers was NUTS She asked me to come and help. Well in the first place these people either ignored him or when they did interact they treated him like a baby and spoiled him BIG TIME. I spent alot of time with him and got him to at least have some acceptable behavior, but I knew it was never going to work because they just didnt get it. He was fine with me but he had no respect for his owners what so ever. I told them I knew a family that had just lost their Sibe to cancer, and they really wanted another so after days and days of talking I convinced them to re-home him. He loves it there, he lives in the house, plays with their kids and they had him FIXED ;D ;D I dont think these people should have anymore dogs. This was the 4th one they had to get rid of. They just do not get it. I talked them into getting a cat from the shelter.
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Post by Richard on Jan 31, 2004 13:41:52 GMT -5
No cats either....goldfish....just a simple fishbowl and a fish...then see how they do....honestly, if stupidity was a measurement of wealth, many people out there would be millionairs several times over. -Richard
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Post by sibemom on Jan 31, 2004 14:35:38 GMT -5
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