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Feb 15, 2004 17:28:04 GMT -5
Post by Brooke on Feb 15, 2004 17:28:04 GMT -5
My youngest nutcase feels the need to rub her stink on everything from us to the floor, the bed and even the walls. She has been checked thoroughly for bugs and dry skin...absolutely nothing.
She's perfectly fine so is this a form of marking maybe? She doesn't seem itchy at all so I'm not so sure its even an allergy problem. I have (not a lot) but marks down the hallway of her prong collar because she runs down the hallway sliding down the wall. My guess is marking...
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Feb 15, 2004 17:55:21 GMT -5
Post by Nicole on Feb 15, 2004 17:55:21 GMT -5
Hmmmmm. This is usually something a cat does to claim its property...rubs its head and body on whatever it claims as its own. I haven't heard about dogs marking like this. Maybe someone else has. Maybe because he knows that he can't pee mark in the house, he is doing this instead.
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Feb 15, 2004 18:53:34 GMT -5
Post by Laura on Feb 15, 2004 18:53:34 GMT -5
Never really seen a domestic dog do it, but wolves do it all the time to each other and their surroundings, as a way for the alpha male to mark the pack as his own. Or maybe the Peekster is just being goofy ;D.
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Feb 15, 2004 19:21:52 GMT -5
Post by Brooke on Feb 15, 2004 19:21:52 GMT -5
Its exactly like a cat does and just about to the same extent. She does it ALLLLL the time. It drives me crazy. At least its not peeing so thats a plus. Shen sees it as affection of course but I'm not so sure because she does it to stuff other than us. She is pretty goofy, I'll give you that. ;D
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Feb 17, 2004 10:17:21 GMT -5
Post by Willow on Feb 17, 2004 10:17:21 GMT -5
Kerra does that too, especially after I pet her or brush her, but she only does it along the couch, and I don't have a clue why she does this either and neither do dog psychologist's etc. Their guess is that petting/brushing stimulates them and makes them itch, OR they are marking. I always say she thinks *I* stink and is trying to rub my scent off of her, the way we wash our hands after petting them! ;D
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Feb 18, 2004 5:54:30 GMT -5
Post by sibemom on Feb 18, 2004 5:54:30 GMT -5
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Feb 18, 2004 12:01:04 GMT -5
Post by Levi on Feb 18, 2004 12:01:04 GMT -5
I have (not a lot) but marks down the hallway of her prong collar because she runs down the hallway sliding down the wall. Is there a reason she wears a prong collar outside of training sessions?
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Feb 18, 2004 14:47:54 GMT -5
Post by Laura on Feb 18, 2004 14:47:54 GMT -5
Some dogs get "collar smart" very quickly .
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Feb 18, 2004 16:36:28 GMT -5
Post by Brooke on Feb 18, 2004 16:36:28 GMT -5
Well...I do keep it on her all day usually for that reason. Because I don't want her to get collar smart with as much as we have to use it..... I am home with her all day every day at this point so she has free reign of the majority of the house... within reason.
If I wasn't home all day she wouldn't be wearing it as much thats for sure. She is still pretty young and she is a Dobe mix. She is high strung and rambunctious and is a rough player. She is very dominant and she is still considered a pup and hasn't matured much at all yet. I have two dogs and they both are a decent size so she needs to be reminded of keeping the calm in the house quite a bit.
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Feb 18, 2004 19:23:15 GMT -5
Post by Levi on Feb 18, 2004 19:23:15 GMT -5
Do you care that I'm new and already questioning practices? I'm not too sure what you guys refer to when you say "collar smart" - but as for slipping out of a collar, Premier brand collars put an end to that without the corrective nature of a pronged collar. I too have a Dobie mix and thats the brand I use with him. (Premier, not pronged) Maybe because I had a foster die on me due to having a pronged collar on while in my care I'm a bit more leery of them being on all the time - but I know I'm not alone in the happening. Pronged collars are fine training instruments in my opinion, but not something to be kept on at all times. There are other corrective measures that can be taken, and a pronged can be used immediatly and accurately if kept on a leash onhand that can be used as needed. Unless you keep your dog on a leash the entire time the pronged collar is on, its not much more than an extra neck piece to contend with. Left on continuously, from my experience, from others I personally know of and those that I've heard of can cause several problems since the collar can get tangled in fur, carpet, mini-blind strings, fencing etc, etc, etc. They are also prone to wear and tear with constant use resulting in link weakining, breakage and deformities. I'm kind of sick right now and plan on laying down for a while. I hope this post made some sense to you guys.
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Feb 18, 2004 19:54:06 GMT -5
Post by amyjo on Feb 18, 2004 19:54:06 GMT -5
"collar smart" means that the dog knows that the collar allows for the corrections to be meaningful. If the dog is always wearing the collar whenever it is with you - then the dog never learns that there are instances when you cannot issue a meaningful correction. Most people who use this method also use a short piece of leash or a "tab" that is the whole point of having the dog wear it is so you can use it. The collar is removed when the dog is unsupervised beacuse of the dangers you pointed out.
If done properly the dog can (in most not all cases) be weaned from the prong for daily use - which is why you never want them to learn that you can't correct them in that very meaningful way when they aren't wearing it.
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Feb 18, 2004 19:55:07 GMT -5
Post by Brooke on Feb 18, 2004 19:55:07 GMT -5
Becoming "collar smart" is when you put a collar on a dog and take off training that dog with that collar right away. Then then learn that the correction is coming from the collar and they learn to not only sometimes dislike and fight the collar being put on itself but they learn that the rules are a little less demanding not having the collar on. Therefore they do not listen as well with it off.
;D I understand where you are coming from. In fact you are correct in your thoughts that it would do no good to have the prong on without the leash. Peeka does always have a leash on any time that she is not sleeping or in the back yard unsupervised. She probably will have this with us until she starts to go through maturity.
I rarely ever have her unsupervised with her collar on. We've had no problems. My husband is injured and we are waiting to be sent back to our home state right now so he is also home the majority of the day with us as well. One of us is watching them at all times. For our life it works right now. Its not the way everyone can have it. I understand that.
Her fur is too short to get caught in the prongs and the links are of one of the heaviest guage metals so not to come apart because she is so energy driven she has taken off in a full run (Luckily in the back yard when she saw a squirrel) right off and the prongs have come apart with the smaller guage prong collars. Because it was fit properly though it didn't do any damage to her at all. She didn't even slow down.
The strength of this current prong collar she has now is too hard for me to even take it off myself. My husband has to remove the collar for me.
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Feb 18, 2004 19:56:59 GMT -5
Post by Brooke on Feb 18, 2004 19:56:59 GMT -5
beat me to it amyjo ;D
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Feb 18, 2004 19:59:16 GMT -5
Post by amyjo on Feb 18, 2004 19:59:16 GMT -5
;D
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Feb 19, 2004 7:43:43 GMT -5
Post by Richard on Feb 19, 2004 7:43:43 GMT -5
Guess I'll jump in here too....
I use a prong collar on my 90lb GSD....its on him when we are interacting with him....it comes off at night before he goes to sleep (on his mat in our room) and is put on before our first walk of the day. It is the primary collar that is on him all the time (although we also use a flat collar too when working SAR routines). He's just over 3 years old and is obedient, well trained and confident(other than being a bit goofy occasionally)....with the prong collar, its there if I need to correct (which isn't too often) but if not, its just there...to me there is no pressure on his neck and no rubbing on his fur down to his skin.....
Levi you talked about some of the downsides of the prong collar....it is sad to hear these things but unfortunately, its 100% the owners fault....like any peice of equipment, if used properly, it will work as intended...I'm sure the prong collar problems were just a small part of the bigger problems of the dogs that came to you...that is just ignorant owners (but that is another topic all together).
I think each handler/dog situation is different and I respect your views on this....just wanted to give you a "positive prong story"...hope you're feeling better soon.
-Richard
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