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Post by Richard on Mar 3, 2004 9:36:07 GMT -5
That is true Loey and I don't know if its my age (44yr for those of you that are paying attention) or just my attitude and training ethics with Rocky that are involved, but I really don't care what people say about my training anymore....I found a group of people who train like me (here and where I live)...I found a trainer who showed me what I was doing wrong with Rocky and how to fix it and I have a dog that I can take anywheres with me and be proud of him....he is confident and subordinate to me at the same time....we are a team....
Funny, when out walking with Rocky, the first thing people see, while thier dogs are leaping at the end of the leash trying to get at me and Rocky is his pinch collar and they give us a dirty look and keep going, all the time while thier dog is leaping, jumping, arching, yelping (oh very well trained apparently) at me and Rocky (who has been in a heel...with a bit of neck twisting to check who the idiot is barking at him).
As for kids, hey, I agree with Loey 100%....nuthin' worse than a spoiled kid.....we do run a week long program at Camp Rocky where we teach proper manners, politeness, awareness of those around you and taking responsibility for your own actions....the things a lot of parents are seeming to fail to teach thier kids these days.....
-Richard
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Post by sibemom on Mar 3, 2004 9:36:23 GMT -5
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Post by Jeff on Mar 3, 2004 11:11:29 GMT -5
Willow, I agree that it is a huge pain in the butt having to consider what others might think during Dex's leash training. I think that him being an APBT does not help the situation. If he starts pulling in front of me, and I do the turn around and walk the other way, it might look as though I am yanking him hard to the average person. W/ all of the negative press pitties get, I have gotten quite a few dirty looks when giving Dex a correction. People not in the know think that I am being harsh, but they havent a clue as to what it takes to train a dog like Dexter. One thing I will do regardless if people are around or not is when he sees a dog across the street and tries to lunge and run towards the dog I will give him a very firm correction and a toy to hold in his mouth or whatever to get his attention off the other dog.
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Post by Brooke on Mar 3, 2004 13:52:26 GMT -5
Willow, I agree that it is a huge pain in the butt having to consider what others might think during Dex's leash training. I think that him being an APBT does not help the situation. If he starts pulling in front of me, and I do the turn around and walk the other way, it might look as though I am yanking him hard to the average person. W/ all of the negative press pitties get, I have gotten quite a few dirty looks when giving Dex a correction. People not in the know think that I am being harsh, but they havent a clue as to what it takes to train a dog like Dexter. You know that's kind of right I think. People assume that because you correct your dog with a pinch collar or something like that, that it causes them to be aggressive. I was told this by PP trainers. They said not only would it break the bond I had with my dog but it would cause the aggression to get worse. We aren't even talking about hitting or anything like that...this was about scruffing and such. You see these shows on tv or the movies and it shows people rattleing pit cages and using sticks around them before a match and while that may be a good way to get a nasty well aggressive trained pit riled up...it kind of sets the tone. I think thats a big reason why people get so upset to see a pit with a pinch collar on or other things like this...
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Post by Aussienot on Mar 3, 2004 17:52:58 GMT -5
I've put a name on it - Collar Cringe. Several of us are showing symptoms. I know I've got a bad case.
People at my obedience training club occasionally look at me like I've got three heads because I use a limited slip martingale placed high on the neck. Or the time I inquired about the use of e-collars. You'd think I'd just suggested eating my young.
And I'm not even using The Prong - "inheriently corrective" prong collars are specifically banned from the training ground by in our club bylaws. Probably would be stripped of my instructor's jacket if they knew I used one outside of club nights.
I can't understand is why in a Positive with Corrections training system Check/Choke chains are considered suitable for corrections but prongs are "inheriently corrective".
It is the trainer and the use of the leash that decides when and if a collar is corrective. It is not the collar itself. It is the placement of the collar that determines if the correction is communicative. For many strong necked dogs, there is no way to give an effective correction at the base of the neck and there is real risk of causing trachea damage with long term use, whether the collar is chain or flat.
I am trying to purchase one of those "Good Dog" collars - a rubber prong that someone suggested to me earlier - to see if I can slip it under the club radar. And I'm even considering an e-collar for proofing off leash, but I don't see myself doing it in public.
Like Richard, I am proud of Finn's behavior and he has a fantastic attitude toward training. I can do things with him and take him places I never dreamed of doing when I started training.
I love prong, but I'm still in the closet.
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Post by Laura on Mar 3, 2004 18:15:32 GMT -5
That sounds dirty ;D. I like it . However, the rest of your post, dead on. Whatever in heaven's name do the other club members use/do to proof their dogs training ? Or is that not of consequence? When my dogs are given a command, I want to be damm sure they comply, and that means at ANY given time or situation, how can one be sure of that happening when the dog knows there are no consequences to their actions? And prong versus choke collar is more a matter of what looks less harmful, as opposed to what is more harmful to appease those who are soft of heart and soft of brain.
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Post by Brooke on Mar 3, 2004 22:17:50 GMT -5
I don't know Aussie, I got a good, long, close look at those good dog collars last weekend at Petsmart and I wouldn't trust it any farther than I could throw my car. They look really flimsy.... They snap together and the material doesn't look very sturdy. They are bound together by a nylon string tied through two holes.
It may work on some dogs but I'm not convinced it would last long on the high strung ones who are actually the ones who need them.
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Post by Aussienot on Mar 3, 2004 23:45:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I can't find one here, and the manufacturer hasn't gotten back to me anyway. And it's not that I need another training collar . . . .
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Post by Willow on Mar 4, 2004 16:01:20 GMT -5
And it's not that I need another training collar . . . . Sure you do!! Collars are like shoes, you can never have too many! (to me,anyway!) ;D I have pinch collar's, slip collars, (both chain and rolled fabric), martingale collars, nylon buckle collars, and today while out shopping I considered leather buckle collars, why I don't know, except that I liked the brass hearts on them for decoration!!!! But I decided I didn't need them, because around the house/yard the only collar's the dogs wear (if any at all) are the fence collar's and then those come off when we go for our walk in back and they have no collar's on! I also just remembered....I have some really pretty nylon buckle collar's that the dogs haven't even worn yet! Do y'all think I have a problem???
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Post by Jeff on Mar 4, 2004 16:42:59 GMT -5
Willow, I am with you. You can never have too many collars. Check out Kira sporting her new leather collar w/ red hearts on it. I took this pic as she was opening a Christmas present This place has some GREAT collars. We are going to get Dex one when he stops growing. Basically, you choose whatever color leather collar you want, and then you choose the medallions that you want attached. If you click on the link, then click on the medallions you will see what I mean. We were going to get Kira a pink leather collar w/ colored flowers on it, but the pink leather was too stiff. I guess when they dye it it loses its suppleness. For Dex, he will be getting a brown leather collar with the brass fire hydrants on it. Too cute! I cant wait! www.store.yahoo.com/tailsbythebay/cumeleco.htmlClick on the actual medallions and you can see which ones they offer.
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Post by Willow on Mar 4, 2004 17:04:21 GMT -5
;D Oh, Kewl!!!!! That collar looks fantastic on her!!! I will definately have to go check out the website and get *designer collar's* for my dogs!!! I'm afraid you have enabled my habit by sending that website!!
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Post by Nicole on Mar 4, 2004 17:11:22 GMT -5
They have matching leashes too!!!!!! I wish Petey were a she I would get the daisy. Although I do like the fire hydrant too!! ;D Kira looks beaaaauuuuuutiful in her heart collar!!
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Post by Jeff on Mar 4, 2004 17:56:17 GMT -5
Nicole, Kira thanks you for your compliment ;D I cant believe I forgot to mention the matching collar Oh, also if you do decide to order from them, you can register and fill out some thingamajig w/ your dogs birthday. A few weeks in advance they will send you an e-mail with a code to get 10 or 20% off. Shucks, I cant remember how much off it was. I will try to investigate and see if I can remember the code. Gimme some time, and I will look into it.
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Post by ohclueless1 on Mar 4, 2004 21:23:15 GMT -5
Those collars are adorable. Better a colllar collecting habbit than a shoe collecting habbit. With the collars all you need to hide them away is a drawer. Unlike with shoes where some women need a whole new section to their house.
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Post by Willow on Mar 5, 2004 10:45:45 GMT -5
;D How true!! I haven't reached that point yet, but some have referred to me as *Amelda*, and as we speak, I am once again going through my shoes and weeding out the ones I don't wear to take to *Goodwill* again. ;D ;D
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