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Post by Dom on Aug 4, 2006 13:31:50 GMT -5
I have been having some problems with Sadie staying in a "stay" or "wait" once I break line of sight. She does really well if she can see me but if I move around a corner for a split second she is high tailing it to me. It isn't a HUGE deal because she is not in any competition sports. I just want to know how to train her for normal day to day life. If I walk through the house she has a need to follow me everywhere. I can't even take a shower without her nose coming around the shower curtain to make sure I didn't sneak out some hidden door. The last time I wanted her to stay I walked around the corner of the house to pick up a hose and just as I turned around she came around the corner on all cylinders. She almost knocked me over. She tried to stop but she was in mid air when she rounded the corner. She runs with this bunny hop I have never seen a dog do. I know she knows how to wait and stay it is just me moving out of view that sets her in motion. I have searched these boards and couldn't find anything. If I missed something then please forgive me. SO much info here.
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Post by willow on Aug 4, 2006 14:25:42 GMT -5
What do you do when she breaks the stay?
What you MUST do is correct her immediately, either by saying "no" or whatever word you use and preferably a collar correction (quick pop/release) and then take her back to exactly where she was when she broke, therefore, I think you need to go back a step and "set her up" so you can catch her before she gets to you, which is her reward for breaking.
Put her in a sit or down/stay and go out of sight where you can see her, but she can't see you. The minute she lifts her butt off the ground to come to you, move into sight and say, "NO", and while continuing to say, "no" repeatedly, go to her, don't let her come to you, give her a collar correction, and if she has moved even a few inches, put her back into the exact spot she was when you left and do it again.
Also remember when going out of sight to start out with just a few seconds and then build up the time to however long you want her to stay with you out of sight, because it's always better to not let her get in the habit of breaking in the first place.
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Post by Dom on Aug 4, 2006 14:40:53 GMT -5
Normally, if we are in the house, I collar correct, say NO then move her back into position she was in before. If I try to leave the room she will stretch her neck as far as it can go to watch me. If I leave even for a nano second her butt is up again. If we are outside it is a completely different story. If I tell her NO and move in to correct her she takes off running in her fun game of "keep away" She is just too darn fast when she goes into a run. Even if it is this strange rocking horse motion. How she can get speed running like that is beyond me. Maybe if I tether her to her outside dog run it would work? I admit, I have not been consistent with correcting her for breaking a stay. I guess I am just going to have to go back to square one with her on this. I see a lot of people here have Huskys. The rescue I got her from said her mother was ShepX and her dad was Husky. She doesn't look like Husky at all so I always say she is ShepX. Not that what she is really matters to me, but do Huskys (in general) test a lot? Even during OB class I would send her to her "place" and she would inch a paw off, then her leg, then try to rambo crawl off while staring right at me. Every time I would reposition her back to her "place". Soon the paw would start inching its way off again. As a pup (12-14 weeks)she was the same way when I was trying to teach her what to chew and not to chew. She would stare right at me and inch close to the coffee table leg to chew it. I told her no, shoved a toy in her mouth and praised her for chewing the toy. One minute later she would get "the look". I knew exactly what she was going to do. She would start moving closer to the table and slowly open her mouth while looking right at me. Thankfully, she has stopped that behavior and I can trust her in the house without an incident.
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Post by Nicole on Aug 4, 2006 15:04:15 GMT -5
You have to train “time” before “distance”. You have to build up the time at a short distance and gradually increase the distance starting over at a short time with each increased distance.
So, you start an inch a way from the dog. Start at a few seconds and break. Build to 30 minutes or longer gradually. When the dog is solid on a long time at a close distance, move a few feet away and start again at a low time....a few seconds then a minute etc. Then move farther away and go back to a low time. Always try to break the dog before they get up. If the dog is getting up without permission you probably are going to fast. Each distance is a new increased level of distraction which is why you need to start at a low time with each increased distance. And don't move farther away until the dog is solid on a long time at the prior distance. Out of sight stays should be the end of training. You need to do short distances with longer times before you get to that point. Always reposition if the dog gets up at any point as you have been doing.
Also, I do not praise when I break the dog, I praise while the dog is complying in the stay otherwise he thinks he is a good boy for getting up.
Sunny used to think he was complying as he stretched his body like a rubber band to get closer to me...I never realized how long he was. ;D
I hope this made sense.
Also, I should add that you need to start at square one when you add distractions like outside or at a parK. With each level of distraction you start over. The end result should be a dog that stays while you are a distance away with a high level of distraction. It takes work!!!
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Post by Dom on Aug 4, 2006 15:20:54 GMT -5
You have to train “time” before “distance”. Doh! this is my problem. I tried to train both at the same time. If I let her out of her kennel she will "wait" to leave it until I give a release. She is 100% on that. I assumed because she knew wait and stay that I could automatically increase the distance. I didn't think about increasing the time first. I can't believe I didn't think about it when it pertained to those commands. Increasing time is what we did first for "leave it". Drop the pig ear beside her and make her wait until release. After she was up to 30 minutes, we then trusted ourself to move away from her. Sheesh we do that excerise every darn night. Thanks! the solution was right in front of my face and I didn't even see it. "Put her in a sit or down/stay and go out of sight where you can see her, but she can't see you. The minute she lifts her butt off the ground to come to you, move into sight and say, "NO", and while continuing to say, "no" repeatedly, go to her, don't let her come to you, give her a collar correction, and if she has moved even a few inches, put her back into the exact spot she was when you left and do it again."I see your point now. I really need to be consistant with it. I messed up by really not caring if she held a stay during certain times. I was just confusing her. Thanks again! ;D I am going to work on it tonight.
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