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Post by Iluvmypup on Sept 10, 2004 19:49:34 GMT -5
Does this bother anyone else? I have a relative who two years ago decided to buy a pitbull from a breeder. After one year, this dog was wild, out-of-control, knew no commands, and wasn't even housebroken. Okay, soooo, this person blamed the dog saying "he's just stupid...you (talking to me) just lucked out with your dog." Right... After that, last year, he decided to buy another puppy, maybe finally getting one that was a 'good dog'. So he bought a malamute. What a choice of breed. Now this year, he has two wild dogs...saying he has 'no luck' with finding a good dog. I tried explaing to him that number 1., these breeds are NOT for everyone, and number 2., that dogs are not BORN good, it takes work and commitment. He claims that his neighbor's well-mannered dog was well-bred since he doesn't pull on the leash. Does this madden anyone else? I guess my major point here, is that breeds do play a major impact. I know for a fact that there are certain breeds that I just couldn't put up with, and I keep to the breeds that suit my lifestyle. People outrage me, but it felt good to get that out.
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Post by ripley on Sept 10, 2004 22:44:43 GMT -5
Umm... Yeah, are you SURE you and I don't have the same friends and relatives? LOL My uncle sounds exactly like your relative. He bought a pair of SIX WEEK OLD GSD's from someone who had them in petsmart, on an impulse buy. Well, 1 year later, he was incredibly annoyed that these two dogs wanted nothing to do with him and they were wrapped up in CONSTANTLY rough housing with each other and barking in the yard together. So, he gave the female, Kenai, away. Now recently, he said that those two were just badly bred, and he went out and got this male GSD a SIBE as a companion! Why, you may ask? Because he wanted a dog that would always be at HIS side! (If I know anything about Sibes, it's that they are NOT clingy dogs) So, he has this 1 year old Sibe and a 3 year old GSD. The Sibe is a wild dog, he has had no training and he is, although very sweet, completely unmanageable. My uncle says again, that he is poorly bred and is just a dumb dog. If I had three dogs in three years, and EVERY SINGLE ONE turned out badly, I wouldn't blame the dog, I'd look at what I was doing as an owner. I think if you are going to get a purebred dog, at least find a breed that you can live with. And if you can't be committed to training a dog, then don't get one. Period.
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Post by Aussienot on Sept 11, 2004 2:26:14 GMT -5
I can't think of a single example anywhere in nature/society/human evolution/ common sense that supports this line of 'thinking'. I don't usually agree with human parallels, but that's like saying, those kids are well-behaved, ours must be defective. Would people expect a car to stay clean without being washed; dinner to cook itself; and the lawn to stay green without being mowed? Even permapress shirts need to be ironed occasionally. If you suddenly got dropped into a household in Rome and were expected to act like a native, would you have any idea what was going on, unless someone taught you how to speak Italian and explained Italian customs? Would you even know how to dress yourself unless someone had shown you? So why would anyone expect a puppy to rock into a house and behave itself without training? And then blame the dog when it doesn't work I think I'd agree with this person, there are no good dogs to be had anywhere, he has no luck, perhaps he's just not cut out for pet ownership.
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Post by masha on Sept 13, 2004 7:00:46 GMT -5
Thats great. But you do get people like that! anything is prefferable to admitting that the fault might just be with you yourself! I think lots of people think of a dog as though its an object - just another thing to buy and own. Not a thinking feeling living being with needs of its own, and an unpredictable nature. They should rather get one of those robot dogs - or a sort of virtual dog or a doggy screensaver.
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Post by sibemom on Sept 13, 2004 7:25:19 GMT -5
Yes this is a sad situation. You can't just bring home a puppy and expect it to know that you want of it or how to act in an acceptable manner. Did he ever think of gettinig FISH I think it the mentality of getting a dog for their looks and not understanding the work that needs to be put into them. For those breeds especially they take work. I have run into that latley with people who call me crying because their dogs as they put it are " Crazy" I go there and guess what nothing wrong with the dog except it needs training, it's the owners who just don't get it. Even if you are a person who is not into training to a serious OB level, you still can make it work, because everytime you interact with the dog you make it a training session. I know with mine sometimes I get busy with life and don't get to drill as much as I would like too but when I spend time with them it's always a learning experience. Even if it's just taking them out of their crates to go outside in the morning I incorporate some sort of lesson, like who goes first, sit at the door etc... If I did not want to interact with them I would not own a dog. Sad very Sad.
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Post by Iluvmypup on Sept 13, 2004 19:23:35 GMT -5
It saddens me to see these dogs in such poor lifestyles. They're not getting the chance to do what they were bred to do. The 'owner' (should I really give them the privilege of the name? ) thinks his dogs are stupid, and it drives me crazy. He keeps telling me how lucky I am.
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Post by ripley on Sept 14, 2004 2:18:35 GMT -5
You are lucky, Luv. You're not ignorant and ungrateful. I just found out that my cousin is pregnant (at 15 years old ), and my uncle took the dogs to the pound because they were supposedly her dogs and she lost all her privileges, yada yada yada.. But now these poor guys are probably going to be PTS because in their area, hardly anyone would spend the time to trian a very loud, mouthy and slightly aggressive GSD. The Sibe might have a chance.. It's so INFURIATING how irresponsible people are, and how they can just toss animals aside like that!
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Post by Iluvmypup on Sept 14, 2004 15:14:50 GMT -5
Thats awful! He's not punishing the daughter, he's punishing the dogs.
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Post by ripley on Sept 14, 2004 17:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by Rowan on Oct 3, 2004 3:49:26 GMT -5
YIP can agree!!!!
A JRT would eat me for lunch lol... That is just being honest no matter how well bred it was I am not the owner for many breeds......
correction on one statement puppies are born perfect well, if they have a good dam that is. We have never let go of a pup before 9 to 10wks old just because the dam and other littermates teaches them the foundation of rules. Would not buy a pup too young and would be leary of buying a pup from a nervious Dam especially if the pups were running the show over her.....
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Post by Nicole on Oct 3, 2004 15:54:32 GMT -5
I think there are more people out there that think like this than we realize. That somehow dogs are supposed to be born knowing what sit means. I have a friend who has an older JRT, crazy wild with energy even now at age 9 and really for the most part untrained. The dog knows to go on her bed which is good but she is never praised for staying there, if she jumps up she is not taken back and she is never released. So when she jumps up after a few minutes, my friend yells at her and says oh she knows that she is supposed to stay there. I say, how does she know. She says because she just does. I say do you ever tell her that she can get up, my friend says no. I said is she supposed to stay there forever. and she says yes. Well she doesn't obviously and my friend is a lost cause. I have tried for years to help her and it goes in one ear and out the other. Thankfully the dog is a sweetie pie to everyone, man and dog, and small.
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Post by Iluvmypup on Oct 3, 2004 17:26:03 GMT -5
Another pet peeve of mine...people telling their dog's to STAY without ever releasing them. Its as if they expect the dog to freeze like a stuffed animal as they walk away for the day.
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