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Post by Philadelph on May 19, 2005 15:49:10 GMT -5
OK so Moose is very good with housetraining while I am home, and can even drink a bunch of water before bed and not pee until I take her out in the morning like 7-8 hours later. But, after I leave her in the basement while I am gone for 4 hours, as soon as I open the basement door she comes running up the stairs and pisses all over the stairs and the doorway. I give her a firm NO while she is peeing and coming up the stairs as of today. This has happened at least 4 times so far. This morning I even restricted her water intake before I left her, and she still pee'd a bit on the stairs. What can I do ?  |
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Post by Am on May 19, 2005 17:51:41 GMT -5
Hi Philidelph, Is it submissive urination do you think? First time I met my dog, he submission peed all over me (yes, he was a confused young man!) If that's the case, then telling Moose off for doing it can unfortunately just make it worse. My other thought was, maybe she's just peeing out of sheer excitement? In which case perhaps try to make you coming home less of an exciting event for her. I don't really know - those are just the first two thoughts that popped into my head.  |
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Post by Philadelph on May 19, 2005 20:32:26 GMT -5
I don't think it submissive urination, because she never did that when I first met her, and never does it when I am around.
Like you said, it could be excitement. I did try coming home a bit more quietly but she still got excited.
I guess I will just have to keep trying new things. I am going out tonight, and didn't give her much water with dinner, plus she just pee'd. So, I will see what happens when I come back tonight.
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Post by Am on May 20, 2005 0:00:47 GMT -5
I'm wondering whether Moose is just so excited by you arriving home that she honestly can't help herself? I wonder if you can make getting let out of the basement less of an exciting event for her, by randomly putting her in the basement for short periods of time during the day? If you make a habit of putting her down there for 5 or 10 minutes a couple of times a day, then getting let out won't be such a big deal anymore - definately not worth peeing over. I admit that's just a stab in the dark - there are probably heaps of people on this site who have a better idea what to do than me. But I think that's what I'd try if Monsta had that problem. |
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Post by Nicole on May 20, 2005 5:00:48 GMT -5
- there are probably heaps of people on this site who have a better idea what to do than me. I am not so sure about that!! ;D I agree with you completely. As Am said, the dog cannot help it so please don't correct the dog. Another thing to try in addition to what Am suggested is to wait until the dog calms down before you let it out of the basement. In other words don't rush to the dog as soon as you get in. Let the dog get the intense excitement out of his system. |
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Post by Philadelph on May 20, 2005 17:01:56 GMT -5
Great suggestions. I think I will start putting her down there alone for 5-10 minutes while I am home to.
Last night: I got home around 2 am, went downstairs, and she was on her blanket. She pee'd right in front of me, right on her blanket. I was sooooo frustrated, but didn't correct her, just cleaned it up. (This sounds like submissive urination?)
GOOD NEWS: This morning I could not get her to pee in the rain, and I had to run out for 3 hours. I was just sure that she would pee everywhere when I returned. But, she didn't! I was so happy!
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Post by Nicole on May 20, 2005 20:17:01 GMT -5
If it is submissive urination, you should approach the dog low and get on your knees to be on her level. Pet her on the chest or under the chin (not the throat and not on the head because those are dominant gestures) and don’t stare in her eyes. Submissive urination is an instinct whereby the dog is acknowledging your dominance and saying I accept that you are above me. I will bet that you are a tall imposing male. We had the same problem with my brother and my dog Reign. My carpet was riddled with piddles. So when my brother came home he would greet the dog on the dogs level. He did not lean over the dog and did not go to pet the dog on his head. Try that.
As for the excitement, if the dogs bladder is full, it is tough to control that. Reign also had excitement peeing and I would make sure his bladder was empty and that he greeted guests outside. He gained full control of excitement peeing at about 1 ½ years. The submissive peeing didn't take long to stop once my brother consistently greeted the dog in a manner that was not threatening to the dog. Interestingly, Reign never submissive peed with me. But I am a girl and he was not threatened by me although he respected me. My brother was his true master. The peeing is really saying hey I get it. You are superior now please don't hurt me. Not that you would hurt your dog but in the wild, that was an important message to get across.
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Post by Philadelph on May 20, 2005 22:31:48 GMT -5
If it is submissive urination, you should approach the dog low and get on your knees to be on her level. Pet her on the chest or under the chin (not the throat and not on the head because those are dominant gestures) and don’t stare in her eyes. Submissive urination is an instinct whereby the dog is acknowledging your dominance and saying I accept that you are above me. I will bet that you are a tall imposing male. We had the same problem with my brother and my dog Reign. My carpet was riddled with piddles. So when my brother came home he would greet the dog on the dogs level. He did not lean over the dog and did not go to pet the dog on his head. Try that. As for the excitement, if the dogs bladder is full, it is tough to control that. Reign also had excitement peeing and I would make sure his bladder was empty and that he greeted guests outside. He gained full control of excitement peeing at about 1 ½ years. The submissive peeing didn't take long to stop once my brother consistently greeted the dog in a manner that was not threatening to the dog. Interestingly, Reign never submissive peed with me. But I am a girl and he was not threatened by me although he respected me. My brother was his true master. The peeing is really saying hey I get it. You are superior now please don't hurt me. Not that you would hurt your dog but in the wild, that was an important message to get across. Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing that. When she pee'd right in front of me, I think I was standing over her and it was likely submissive urination. The other times she pee'd running up the stairs was maybe just excitement, and I think she should get over that. Thanks for everyone's input I feel a lot better now.  |
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Post by Philadelph on May 23, 2005 16:31:58 GMT -5
Well, some days she pees, some days she doesn't. She did good for two days, then today she pissed right in front of me! I walked down the stairs to the basement quietly, and got down on all fours and petted her on her chest and she still pee'd right on her blanket.  |
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Post by Brooke on May 23, 2005 21:01:26 GMT -5
How is your tone of voice? That would be my biggest question. Honestly I'm wondering if there just isn't too much excitement. You can try to seem submissive as possible but if there is still too much going on, if there are a lot of people... any high pitched voices, an overly excited environment of any kind it can just be too much for them to contain themselves. This isn't usually something that she's going to be able to be trained out of. It's more modifying your behavior and how and when you approach her. She needs to have a chance to calm down before you give her attention for one. Secondly, you'll have to look at the behavior you are submitting. Check out this article on submissive urination... dogden.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Questions&action=display&thread=1074722989 |
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Post by Am on May 23, 2005 21:18:30 GMT -5
Brooke's article said most of I was going to say (and a lot of other useful stuff besides!) ;D
I was going to say, sounds to me like something you're doing when you greet Moose is triggering her peeing (whether it's submissive peeing or from over-excitement.)
So when you get home, try just letting her out and going back up to the house. Don't approach her, don't pet her, don't talk to her or praise her, don't make eye contact with her and don't respond to her greeting behaviour. Ignore her completely until she's been out for 5 or 10 minutes. If you're not interacting with her at all, it'll give her no cues to pee.
Good luck. She's a handsome dog, by the way!
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Post by Philadelph on May 23, 2005 22:00:33 GMT -5
Brooke's article said most of I was going to say (and a lot of other useful stuff besides!) ;D I was going to say, sounds to me like something you're doing when you greet Moose is triggering her peeing (whether it's submissive peeing or from over-excitement.) So when you get home, try just letting her out and going back up to the house. Don't approach her, don't pet her, don't talk to her or praise her, don't make eye contact with her and don't respond to her greeting behaviour. Ignore her completely until she's been out for 5 or 10 minutes. If you're not interacting with her at all, it'll give her no cues to pee. Good luck. She's a handsome dog, by the way! That sounds like a good idea, not approaching her. I will read the article as well. BTW, The pic doesn't do her justice!  |
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Post by Nicole on May 24, 2005 6:42:59 GMT -5
Getting on all fours is probably intimidating because you are exactly on eye level. When I said get down to the dogs level I should have been more specific. Just try not to look so big and tall, maybe slouch or get on your knee. But don't look like a dog. ;D You will have to find the right body language that does not send her into a submissive tizzy. You could also yawn some. That is a calming signal in doggy language. But look away when you do it.
I think ignoring is a good idea. Let her come to you instead of you going to her.
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Post by Philadelph on May 24, 2005 15:37:22 GMT -5
Like an idiot, I decided to leave her in my room today because I thought she might be more comfortable for 7 hours since she likes it there so much. Well, I came up the stairs, she started wagging her tail like crazy on her bean bag, and PEE went all over the bean bag! I was pretty mad.... I accidentally yelled NO MOOSIE, and then dragged her down stairs to go to the bathroom, where she then PEE'D on the floor and stairs. Fun stuff! I now realize how important it is for me not to yell at her. I will just keep her in the basement, and ignore her when I get home. Also I will use the doggy language that Nicole suggested. Wish me luck.  |
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Post by Philadelph on May 27, 2005 10:25:30 GMT -5
Well she is still peeing every time I see her after I leave her for even as little as 1 hour.
This is my new strategy: Come home, open basement door, open front door, I stand outside, she runs outside to see me and pee's right in the front doorway. That is the best I can come up with.
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