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Post by sibemom on Apr 16, 2005 3:00:32 GMT -5
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Post by Aussienot on Apr 16, 2005 18:47:35 GMT -5
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” Gandhi
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Post by Brooke on Apr 16, 2005 23:36:05 GMT -5
That is just sick!!! I am thoroughly amazed...
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Post by Richard on Apr 17, 2005 8:59:13 GMT -5
Gee, as if they need another reason to go out and shoot something.
Does that mean there will be a lot more cats out there with a bright orange vest on now in your neighborhood?
I'm sure there are far more important issues to be tackled (i.e. the homeless, the unemployed, the medicare issue, taxes ect ect) by the DNR but lets go with what the majority wants(?)....shoot them wild cats!!
Up here, we have all sorts of problems to be solved too but our Government brings out a bill that says you can bring your own bottle of wine to a restaruant....who will subsequently charge you a $25 corking charge....ahh, always go with the path of least resistance is thier motto....
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Post by Kona on Apr 17, 2005 13:21:58 GMT -5
Okay, I had a post deleted once for the same subject that I'm about to bring up, but will someone please tell me what the difference is between killing one animal and killing another? I can understand hunting if it thins out the number of animals in a specific area and keeps the rest healthy by allowing them better access to resources, but what's the point of raising cows and pigs so that we can pay someone to kill them for us? Because they taste good? And cats are cute so it's wrong to kill them?
Pigs are at least as intelligent as dogs. Cows are social creatures that become unhappy when they are separated from their family members, just like whales.
I train dogs because I feel a responsibility for them. We created dogs and now we have lost our understanding of them. As a buddhist, a vegetarian, and a dog trainer, I integrate my religion, my health, my career, and my hobby. No hypocrisy. Yes, I shoot, but I shoot at paper targets or tin cans.
I’m not “holier than thou,” and I’m not angry. I just don’t get when someone is munching on a hamburger (or holding a hunting rifle!) with one hand while holding a sign protesting animals being killed with the other.
Is there a list of animals that it’s OK to kill, and a list of animals that it’s not?
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Post by Kona on Apr 17, 2005 13:26:50 GMT -5
Wait! Let me get my flame-proof clothes on.
Alright, go ahead.
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Post by sibemom on Apr 17, 2005 16:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on Apr 17, 2005 18:56:30 GMT -5
Wait! Let me get my flame-proof clothes on. Alright, go ahead. What's to flame? I think you explained your opinion rationally, respectfully and tactfully. You're a vegetarian, dog trainer, buddhist and a pretty good judge of character..along with that, you have your faith, health and a sense of humour. Sounds like you're a happy person and these days, you don't find many out there...enjoy your veggie burger and I'll enjoy my hamburger, we respect each others choices (while possibly not agreeing with all of them) and life goes on!
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Post by Kona on Apr 17, 2005 23:37:59 GMT -5
*huggles*
Thanks, guys. Those were two very nice responses. For the record, my wife can't get through the day without a big hunk of meat, and we live in (almost) perfect harmony.
And I do agree that hunting-to-eat is one thing, and hunting-to-kill is something else. So seeing as most of these mighty hunters probably aren't going to be eating these cats, I guess we're all on the same page thinking that it's a very bad idea.
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Post by Brooke on Apr 17, 2005 23:43:59 GMT -5
If this is the turn we are taking I guess I'll throw my opinion on it. ;D
Unless people grow their own food out of their own garden at home, people are still contributing to the death of animals by human choice and manufacture. How many animals die from the harvesting machines, and pesticides? It may not be as massive of a quantity but it doesn't take away from the fact that it happens. And the fact that it's a lesser quantity doesn't make it anymore ok.
Am I disagreeing?? No, not in totality. I'm just looking at it from another perspective as well.
Realisticly every home in america is not going to have people willing or able physically or environmentally to grow their own gardens...and at least those animals aren't dying for no purpous.
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Post by Brooke on Apr 17, 2005 23:48:29 GMT -5
...and at least those animals aren't dying for no purpous. Clarifying... Actually in a way they are still dying to feed people. Thats my point. At least they are being used.
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Post by Laura on Apr 18, 2005 0:10:01 GMT -5
I'm fairly ill by the whole thought of this nonsense , and many of my reasons actually stem from my profession. The "open season" on domestic cats could really cause some awful problems with both zoonotic and transboundary diseases. Who is going to clean up after this so-called hunt ? If the answer is nobody, then WI is going to have one hell of a time containing contamination from necrotic decay. I don't think there's enough natural carion to clean up the mess . And just think of how many FLV and HIV positive cats there are out there, not to mention all the other creepy crawlies. And as a mother, who's to say that some kid isn't going to get killed by some overzealous jackass ? It's not like feral cats roam around open fields in packs for chrissakes, they still congregate around PEOPLE and HOMES. Do the politicos have an answer for that ? Now that I can see, but I'll bet it's whether the toilet seat is up or down that'll get you every time ;D.
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Post by Kona on Apr 18, 2005 0:34:39 GMT -5
"How many animals die from the harvesting machines, and pesticides? It may not be as massive of a quantity but it doesn't take away from the fact that it happens. And the fact that it's a lesser quantity doesn't make it anymore ok." Oh, come on now. If I kill a bug with my windshield as I'm driving to the Farmer's Market to buy some apples, or if the home I live in was built over a gopher hole, or if the harvesting machine that gathered the grain for my bread killed a rabbit, that does not in any way equate to the wholesale slaughter of animals that were bred only to be killed and eaten. The fact that it's a couple of magnitudes of lesser quantity makes all the difference in the world. And I'm more than happy to pay extra for organic produce. Oh, and that quote by Ghandi about how a nation can be judged by how it treats animals? He was a vegetarian, too. He saw it as a moral choice. If you want to roll up your sleeves and argue with Gandhi, feel free.
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Post by Aussienot on Apr 18, 2005 5:25:43 GMT -5
Who was arguing? I thought it beautifully expressed sentiments I share. If "feral" cats are actually a problem, there are many less bloody ways to solve that problem: education, licensing, mandatory desexing, enlightening people to the value of living things. It's sad that the first and only response was: 'Let's shoot 'um fur fun'.
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Post by Kona on Apr 18, 2005 23:51:13 GMT -5
Not you, silly. I meant "If anyone wants to argue with Gandhi . . ." It was a beautiful sentiment, I agree.
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