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Post by sibemom on Mar 2, 2004 19:37:35 GMT -5
Well I had heard also that these Shiloh Sheps were suppose to be such good temperd dogs. Maybe this one was from BAD BLOOD There was nothing nice about that dog except the way it looked. Don't worry I would never condem the breed because of that one dog. You never know maybe the owner had a screw loose too
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Post by Aussienot on Mar 3, 2004 1:01:55 GMT -5
So where are dog breeds headed in the future?
Thousands upon thousands of uselessly blended breeds with a specific working or physical purpose. Create for looks only or for a narrowly defined feature. Each being fairly few in number and small in genetic base, thus undoing the genetic robustness originally bred for.
Or perhaps everyone can create the designer dog of choice - I'll have hypo-alergenic fur, in purple art deco pattern to match my couch, hold the tail but add some to the ears, please. Oh, and shorten the legs. There's an internet business of the future - create a dog.
Why did I have Finn neutered? He could be foundation stock!
PS I like Shiloh Shepherds too. GSDs with hips, what a concept.
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Post by Laura on Mar 3, 2004 1:06:51 GMT -5
What, you don't think their testicles should drag on the ground when they walk fast ?
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Post by Richard on Mar 3, 2004 1:50:42 GMT -5
OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
Major rant here....
If Rocky had testicles, they wouldn't be dragging cuz he has excellent hips, is 100% German GSD breed standard and is from German blood...fortunately, the Germans still know what the breed was made for and what it should look like...unlike thier weak ass-ended north american brothers and sisters who's breeders believe lovey-dovy-weak-ass-ends that disintergrate at 2 years old and are good for nuthin are the way the breed should be....oh puleeeeeeeeeez....why do they do that...why trash a breed just for looks?
Face it, the future is now...if someone wants something specific in a dog, and is willing to pay, there will be some schmoe out there that will fill the order...sad thing though, they're going to mess up everything else around them doing it...but hey, I made my zilliions - screw everyone else-who cares about the friggin' dog...its only a dog afterall.....but wait, it isn't just for dogs anymore.....they're even looking at designer babies...CRAP..you'll be able to look at a list of the things you want your baby to have: blue eyes, blonde hair, size 8 feet, hair that parts to the side, not middle, big boobs (eventually), long (well you know)....ahh c'mon, how much more screwing around with mother nature are we going to do here....a lot of people should get real and stop thinking this world is for them only and demanding things the way they want it....there are a lot of things we have choices in and there are a lot of things that we don't..it is those things we should stop fooling around with.
If the dog associations of this world are smart, they'll put a lid on every breed's characteristics and not let anyone screw with them anymore....anyone caught screwing with a breed to take it away from its documented standard would be taken to court and sacntioned against breeding ever again (yeah, a lifetime ban)....breeding for money should be stopped...take those idiots like that lady with the 150 dogs (who's website promoted her as breeding for quality rather than quantity...hahahahahaaa, what a joke) and make her an example to others wishing to run puppy mills...major jail time and never touch a dog again..hey we do it with drunk drivers and people who use guns in the comission of a crime..lifetime bans..why not do it for dogs...
The best part of this would be that breeding cockapoodoodles for people who want the dog who doesn't drool, poop, pee, shed, bite, bark, chew or any of the other things dogs like to do, will not be allowed...if you cannot have a dog due to allergies, then get a fish....everytime one of these geniuses breeds a cockapoodoodle and some other nut breeds a labapincharottisetter (for those who want to have a dog that hunts for beer in the fridge, can open the can, and will bring it to you and then protect you and the beer...) you further water down the original standards in the breeds......and what do we end up with....cockapoodoodles and labapincharottisetters in the pounds and shelters cuz even after all the specialized breeding (so poor johnny, who's allergic to dogs, can have one) they just end up dumping them cuz johnny finds GI Joe dolls and his Nintendo box more fun.....well how about that eh?
A gigantic waste of time and once again, the dog comes up on the short end...
Honestly, sometimes, if you sit and tried to understand this stuff and what the hell people are thinking while doing it, you gotta wonder what makes this world go around....
-Richard
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Post by Aussienot on Mar 3, 2004 3:13:46 GMT -5
Just to clarify - I love WORKING GSDs. Best dogs around. Would love to own one. I did not mean to slam the good ones . . . . but the Labapincharottisetters sounds really useful.
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Post by Richard on Mar 3, 2004 7:47:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah...working GSD's...I knew whatcha meant aussienot....a GSD bred with OFA'd hips (excellent hips, not just OK) would be a very neat thing!!
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Post by sibemom on Mar 3, 2004 7:49:42 GMT -5
Yes I knew she wasnt talking about Rocky the Beauty. If I ever get a GSD again it would only be German Working Lines. These Amercan inventions do nothing to impress me.
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Post by Laura on Mar 3, 2004 16:44:30 GMT -5
Richard, I hope you don't think my testicle crack was aimed at you, by any means ! I know the Rockster is from German working lines, I can't see you having it any other way. You and I are on the same side of the fence as far as that's concerned, I thinks it's an absolute SIN what they've done to the GSD in this country, all for show purpose . I went to the NJ Kennel Club show on Sunday, I couldn't bear to watch the GSD's go around the ring, the angulation was so severe, it looked almost painful. I guess they forgot that the breed is SHEPHERD, 'cause not a one of them could actually perform that job.
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Post by sibemom on Mar 3, 2004 17:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on Mar 4, 2004 1:04:08 GMT -5
Hi there...
No I know what you meant Laura, especially after your comments about your FIL and his concern of the breed....I guess I shoulda started the rant a bit different than OUCH but you know that dragging thing would hurt (well then again, maybe you wouldn't..AND NO I WONT' ELABORATE!!)...hahahhahaaaaa...I was just using Rocky as an example of a breeder who still does it the right way....for purpose not prancing around a ring...I know the people I'm talking with here understand that point as much as I do....I guess that was what I was trying to say...sorry if it came across any other way...you know all your opinions carry weight with me.....
Re the NJ dog show...now that we finally got a satellite dish (last December) I am now watching a lot more of these types of shows that cover dog shows ect....I just cringe when I see some of these animals(oh yeah, I'm watching the GSD's) and figure, what kind of life is that? I almost think its as non-glorious as the grayhounds life after chasing a stupid fuzzy fake bunny around the track....
I know there is a place for that kind of competition I just wish they'd(breeders) stop messin' with so many of the breeds....every day, we're losing animals to extinction and no one cares...but hey, on the bright side, a crook of a breeder can say look, I bred a cockadoodlepoodle.....neat eh? Only $1500...and I guarentee there'd be line up to his/her door.....
-Richard
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Post by Laura on Mar 4, 2004 13:25:12 GMT -5
Richard, my FIL passed this on to me, I think you'll find it cool . www.workingdogs.com/lshaw1.htmAmazing how much they've changed in a relatively short time .
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Post by Richard on Mar 4, 2004 14:25:03 GMT -5
Wow, thanks Laura, what an excellent comparison...very well done...thank your FIL too....that is very detailed information (for us GSD lovers!) of the breed and its development.
But the differences of NA vs German when side to side is very stark though.....sure goes with what we've talked about here.
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Post by Aussienot on Mar 6, 2004 23:37:55 GMT -5
I was a bit surprised that I couldn't find any studies on the net proving mutts are healthier. I've always believed it to be so - does anyone know if it's scientifically proven, or just common folk lore?
No one seemed to like my prediction of thousands and thousands of gnentically twisted micro breeds. And so what is the answer as to limits on mixing breeds on purpose? There are 150 breeds currently recognised by the American Kennel Club. In my humble opinion, we're spoiled for choice. If one of the 150 doesn't suit you, why is a new creation going to? But I digress.
Do we set a cap at, let's say 200 breeds - and before a new breed can be sanctioned, an exisiting breed must be de-listed? Delisting would mean all dogs of that breed must be desexed, and the breed no longer exists. All Otterhounds would become relegated to big brown Mutt status, for example. (Not that there's anything wrong with Otterhounds, it was just the first obscure breed that came to mind)
Or perhaps we do away with the concept of 'pure bred' altogether. In future, all dogs are just dogs. There are no breed standards, and working ability and temperment are the primary reasons for breeding. Dogs would be priced and selected on their merits rather than on their pedigrees. We let the "..doodle" breeders and the market determine what's available. The AKC might have to start representing the interest of dog owners rather than a breeder-driven agenda . . . or possibly would be driven out of business altogether. There's a future I could warm to.
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Post by Laura on Mar 7, 2004 23:20:06 GMT -5
Aussie, you hit on one of the most important points As long as the human race continues to be self serving and narcissistic, the AKC will stay in business. That's the way of the world, as long as there is a demand, there will be a supply. As for mutts being more genetically stable, that's a study that would be decades in the making, incredibly expensive, and the AKC would try and stop it dead in it's tracks. Heaven forbid that the study didn't favor all those papered pooches out there . Genetics are a tough thing, you can do everything by the book and still end up with a litter where one pup has health or temperament issues. I liken it to where two people can produce a child that has a mental deficiency (i.e. Down's), granted, it's more prevalent in women over forty, but it's still ill luck of the genetic draw that one tiny piece of DNA was tweaked enough to produce it. Breeding is a crapshoot, whether it be canine or human.
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Post by sibemom on Mar 8, 2004 9:13:23 GMT -5
Last night I watched the History Channel and they had the show on about the Doodle Dogs. I still don't get it. Why bother. There are alredy breeds out there that are hypo-allergenic like the standard poodle. The standard poodle is a great dog. Good tempered, smart and you dont have to make it look all FOO FOO if you dont want to. I just don't understand. They pay in excees of $1000 for these dogs, why not take that money and adopt a dog from a shelter for under $200 and then donate the rest to help get other dogs spayed and neutered.
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