GWPSage
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Post by GWPSage on Sept 16, 2006 15:45:36 GMT -5
Okay my little sweet innocent Border collie Lost his freggin mind today. A little 8 month old american bulldog came to visit him, and he went crazy trying to attack her. She was very non aggressive he just went after her. I admit there were several mistakes that I made in the interaction. I did not have Jade leashed Or with his pinch on . However I did manage to catch his scruff, I scruffed him quite strongly and he still would not give up. I ended up alpha rolling him until I got his pinch collar on him. He still wanted to go after that dog. I never in my wildest dreams would imagine what happened next the dirty bugger bit my knee. JADE!! I was floored. He got a series of level 10 corrections for his behavior. Which I never imagined he would be able to cope with, or dreamed I would have to administer. Jade quickly learned he was the dog, however there was no resolution with this "white dog" issue. When he was a pup Jade met a little mostly white dal/mix puppy. Extremely non- aggressive but came on a bit strong. I corrected Jade for becoming growly. A few months after Jades first encounter with the dal mix they had another encounter. Jade growled and lunged at him, I corrected him. Then they were off palling around like two naughty boys. No other signs of aggression. Now today, the American bulldog is mostly white and a female Jade for no reason starts attacking. Are dogs "color" sensitive? Like horses stick to their own colors in a herd? I am blown away, of this aggression mostly by his behavior of biting me.
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Post by Aussienot on Sept 16, 2006 19:59:02 GMT -5
I have seen dogs appear to generalise a hate or fear of dogs by category: yellow dogs, large dogs, small dogs, fluffy dogs or whatever based on a single experience from the past. I have also seen dogs "recognise" dogs of the same breed or type.
And something to file away for future use: A dog in full on fight mode can't switch the aggression on and off instantly, so misdirected aggression is almost certain if you go in head first.
The safest way to pull him off is to grab his back feet, lift them off the ground and wheelbarrow him away; turning in large circles as you manuever him away from the other dog. He will be so busy trying to keep his balance he will have to stop fighting. By turning in large circles he can't whip around and bite you.
Glad nobody got hurt.
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Post by kaos on Sept 17, 2006 20:17:21 GMT -5
Yes, I think dogs can devop a prejudice (positive or negative) for a particular colour or breed type in other dogs.
I am sorry to hear about your incident with the bulldog. I may be way off mark here, please don't be offended as this is just a possible theory for you to consider and is obviously only based on what I read above not through first hand experience with your dog.
Many trainers warn that punishment in the presence of a dog can work to classically condition the dog to fear or dislike the presence of the other dog. In the same way we can alter the dog's emotional response to for example a scary hairdryer by pairing it's presence in the dog's mind to something good eg food, it is possible to alter the emotional response in a negative way by pairing it with punishment. Eg Jade has initial scare with white bouncy dog. Jade receives leash jerk in white dog's presence. Next time Jade sees white dog he thinks 'yuk, white dogs are scary and bad things happen to me when I am near them' so lunges and barks to keep the white dog away. He receives another unpleasant consequence which he pairs with the presence of the white dog etc etc.
If this is the case, you might have success using classical conditioning to try to change Jade's perception of white dogs with the help of a stooge white dog initially far enough away for him not to react.
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Post by sibemom on Sept 18, 2006 6:23:59 GMT -5
AHHH yes I agree that dogs can have issues with breed, color and TYPE. Willow for some reason HATES Golden Retievers no idea why and I was shocked when I first noticed this dislike for them. She has never been assualted in anyway by a golden yet SHE HATES THEM Now when she see's a Sibe she gets all goofey even to this day. I mean the dog could be nashing it's teeth at her and she would be trying to make freinds She also along with Raven will see another GSD when on a walk and get very excited in a friendly way. I will also say with Brody when we have encountered other BC's he does not show his dislike for other dogs at all. Very interesting
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Post by sibemom on Sept 21, 2006 11:44:10 GMT -5
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