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Post by sstevens on Sept 23, 2006 0:08:46 GMT -5
Our puppy (5 month old Beagle) still barks, whines and tries to dig her way out when put in her crate. She runs for the crate at night when we feed her but as soon as she is done eating the noise starts. We kennel her outside during the day (6X12 feet) and we purchased a bark collar (senses vibration) to help quiet her down (it's worked pretty well) and we take it off of her at night. Does anyone know what I can do to get her to stop fighting the crate? She only does this the first 15-30 minutes she is in the crate but it is very loud and annoying. Thanks for any suggestions.
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Post by espencer85 on Sept 23, 2006 8:42:27 GMT -5
The thing is, does she know she is doing something you dont want her to do?, first of all barking may be a way to release acumulated energy, do you excercise your dog at least 1 hour a day? if you dont maybe your dog has energy acumulated during the day and barking is the only was she finds to release it, now if only she does not like the create you have to let her know that barking inside the create is not alowed, how? every time she starts doing that you have to go to the create and with a calm but assertive attitude you say something like "SSShhh" just the same sound you do in a library when people is talking.
But like i said, if you release all her energy and she goes to the create at night tired then you wont have to do anything at all, beagles are famous for having a lot of energy and they release it by barking or sniffing, when you put her in a create at night she get frustrated because she still has energy and you are putting her now in a reduce space
Edited due to inappropriate training advice.
Espencer, dispense advice like that for a 5 month old puppy again and I will promise you that you will get one serious verbal spanking form me, comprende?
Carry on.
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Post by willow on Sept 23, 2006 8:53:26 GMT -5
How many hours a day does she spend in the crate?
Is she getting enough exercise and are you obedience training her?
Beagles are scent hounds used to hunt rabbits, therefore they can be independent and also need a lot of exercise.
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Post by Nicole on Sept 23, 2006 10:16:04 GMT -5
Do not go to the crate and say SHHHH and do not squeeze the dogs neck like a tennis ball.
As the others have stated, exercise the dog. Otherwise you have to ignore the noise. If you go to the crate, the dog will keep making noise to get your attention. The dog will keep doing that even for negative attention.
Do not ever squeeze the dogs neck like was suggested. First off, the crate must always be a good place. The dog should view it as a safe place. Second, doing what was suggested can very easily get you bit. That is a bad bad way to correct a dog. Do not do it.
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Post by Richard on Sept 23, 2006 10:29:30 GMT -5
What does she do in the kennel outside during the day - is she active/barking or relaxed and sleeping? Where is her crate kept at night? Do you have a lot of interaction with her once you guys get home at the end of the workday?
Sorry, lots of questions but the answers aren't far off.
Excercise (geared to her age - don't want to be burnning her out) and giving her the impression that the crate a safe place is a start. She'll just have to figure out that making the excessive noise and fuss won't change your mind about letting her out.
I agree, no need for any physical correction or she'll start associating the crate with being punished and you'll never get her in there again without a fight nor will she settle down anytime before sunrise.
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Post by sibemom on Sept 23, 2006 10:34:39 GMT -5
YEP any attention even negative is still attention and will just keep the dog barking. If you are doing crate training like Nicki said the crate needs to be a safe place like a den, where the dog can go to remove itself from adverse stimulus or that you can put the dog in to contain them when you can not be watching them 100% of the time. I would assume this dog needs lots of excersise and a job. I would not correct the dog in the crate either. What I do is if the puppy is just having a hard time being quiet I cover the crate with a light sheet or blanket so they can not see ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF IT. I put the crate in an area where it is quiet and by itself. You would be surprised at how quickly they settle down I would also only crate the dog after I am sure it has expelled all extra energy. Yes how many hours is the pup in the crate?
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Post by espencer85 on Sept 23, 2006 10:47:21 GMT -5
Edited due to chronic idiocy.
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Post by Nicole on Sept 23, 2006 13:43:41 GMT -5
Please don’t tell me that this is the “poke” Cesar refers too. Juan follow me here. You say that this neck push thing is how a dog corrects another dog so the dog understands that and will stop a behavior. Is that correct? Ok, lets say for argument sake only that I accept that. Now, what happens when a lower ranking dog/wolf corrects or attempts to correct a higher ranking dog/wolf? The higher ranking dog bites and or kills. Do you get where I am going with this. There is a reason for collars and leashes. This poster is writing in from Internet outer space. You have no idea who she is, what her dog’s issues are, what their relationship is, if she is the leader or the dog is the leader. Now without that information, you are telling this person potentially to correct a dog who may not appreciate getting corrected and you are telling her to do this with her hand inside a crate inches from the dog’s teeth. Do you see what I am saying. You may believe in your method but in fact the advice you are giving this person is highly dangerous. You can’t just tell people who you do not know anything about to do something that is dangerous. Of course the dog you mention made noise for 8 hours. That doesn't shock me. Some dogs go on for days or weeks depending on the situation. It takes time to extinguish this type of behavior. The posters dog is doing this for 15 to 30 minutes. The dog will stop if no one pays attention. A dog should also not associate a crate with a correction or it is going to resist being in there. Are these things you are saying actually in Cesar's book. If so I am glad I didn't waste the money. Or are you making it up as you go along??
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Post by espencer85 on Sept 23, 2006 14:39:55 GMT -5
This one too.
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Post by Nicole on Sept 23, 2006 14:55:54 GMT -5
1. 2. How do you know that 3. I don't care how old the dog is. Five month old pups can be very dominant. Brooke here had an eight week old puppy that was more aggressive than most any adult. 4. No she is saying scream your brains out, it isn't going to get you out of the crate or get my attention. By going to the dog, she is giving him what he wants. Not so leader like in my opinion 5. I can't believe that Cesar suggests this for quieting a dog in a crate. Does he actually talk about crate training? Or did he do this in another situation and you transferred it to the crate. Also you do not want the dog to connect your hands with a correction. So that every time you go near the neck he thinks he is going to get a neck push. Yikes.
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Post by willow on Sept 23, 2006 15:42:10 GMT -5
So as not to hi-jack another thread, I will start a new thread....Now where to start it? Probably the training section is o.k.
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Post by Richard on Sept 23, 2006 20:26:14 GMT -5
One question though to sstevens: did I read that correctly, you feed the puppy in the crate then it's bed time or is there time between feeding and sleeping?
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Post by sstevens on Sept 26, 2006 1:05:08 GMT -5
Sorry, I've been gone a couple of days... A normal day for our dog is: -7AM get up, go out to the bathroom -food in her doghouse located outside in her kennel (6ft X 12ft) -Then she is in her kennel most of the day except for 30 minutes or so here and there to exercise and play with her (varies day to day) -Let her inside the house at 9:30PM and let her play with the cat until about 10 or 10:30PM -outside one last time for the bathroom -give her food in her crate and once the door is shut she is only let out once more when I get home, usually after midnight and this is only to go to the bathroom. When she is outside in her kennel she is generally quite, unless I'm mowing the lawn in which case she tends to bark/whine alot. Up until this past week we kept the crate beside the couch in the living room but my wife was having a hard time getting to sleep so we moved the crate out to the breezeway. We also have a radio the plays quite country music next to her crate, perhaps she prefers rock? My wife and I have already figured we need to exercise her more and my wife has started walking her on the treadmill for 15-30 minutes a night. We also have a 10 month old son so finding the proper amount of time to spend with the dog is not always the easiest.
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Post by willow on Sept 26, 2006 9:43:11 GMT -5
One thing I would do is quit playing the music near her crate. Dogs need quiet time too and this may be too stimulating for her.
p.s. So much of the country music today IS rock! ;D
It also seems she does spend a lot of time isolated from the family. Why is she not out in the yard with you when you are mowing the lawn etc.?
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Post by maryellen on Sept 26, 2006 14:02:35 GMT -5
is this beagle a hunting dog? do you actively hunt with her or is she a family pet? if she is a family pet or hunting dog, irregardless, she needs more interaction with the family, dogs are pack animals, and do not like to be alone with the family in the house.. do you interact with her besides feeding and the 30 minutes with her?? she needs more time with the family, more exercise,and more structure.. a 5 month old puppy is like a newborn baby, they dont understand what they are supposed to do, thats why us humans are to teach them... for a 5 month old pup to be spending the majority of her time in a kennel outside its no wonder she is acting up.. she needs to be with your family, not stuck in a kennel outside and tossed a bone of affection occasionally..
ok, you brought this dog home, knowing you have an infant to take care off.. you must give the dog the same amount of time as the infant, or you will have a very unsocialized unbehaved dog with serious behavioral problems later down the road..
whose idea was it to get a dog, let alone a beagle??
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