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Post by willow on Jan 7, 2006 9:46:51 GMT -5
Did anyone happen to catch " designer Dogs" on the National Geographic Channel last night...(or does everyone but me have a life? ;D)
They had a segment on the Caucasian Mountain Dog, said to have been bred in Caucasia (I don't know if I have that spelled right) to herd/watch the sheep like the Great Pyrenees does.
They are huge dogs, males weighing around 180#, and born aggressive. They are tested at 3 weeks for level of aggressivness, because this is when they begin to display aggressive behavior.
They are now being bred in the U.S. and sold to people who feel they need a serious guard dog and one breeder advertises them as, "Having the stopping power of a .45!!!"
They showed a 150# man who bought a 180# male CMD from this breeder and it was dragging him all over to get at passing cars etc. !
Personally, I think this is insanity on these breeder's part.
As always, it will be the dog who loses.
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Post by Brooke on Jan 7, 2006 11:02:18 GMT -5
No I didn't see it. I was out.... Why the HECK would you teach your dog to chase passing cars?? That is insane to me.
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Post by willow on Jan 7, 2006 14:00:52 GMT -5
He wasn't teaching him to chase cars, the dog is so aggressive he does it whenever the man tries to walk him on leash, and the dog is so big/powerful the man can't control him. The dog pulled the man right off his feet and he was lying on the ground on his back while the dog was still trying to get at the car. They also showed the dog running down the street after a car with the man trying, unsuccessfully, to stop him, and it said if the dog would happen to catch what it is chasing, it would "kill it". This man said he is experience with large dogs, but this dog is a "real challenge". That was an understatement! The man also said they tried every kind of collar, even electronic, but the breeds pain threshold is so high, there is not a collar that phases them.
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Post by Richard on Jan 7, 2006 17:19:23 GMT -5
How stupid is that?
Thanks to NG for showing yet another breed of dog this world doesn't[/i] need. The dog was bred for a specific need in its country but now some idiot has brought it over here to breed in the US...yeah, makes perfect sense...NOT!
I fail to see the needs of a dog with the similar capabilities of a .45 handgun?? Honestly, what are people thinking when they get dogs like that? Then again, I could consider the idiot who is being dragged by one of these dogs is from the shallow end of the DNA pool too for getting a breed of dog that is obvioulsy waaaaaaay beyond his skill level.
Let's get the spelling of the name of the breed right cuz when they start making the news for attacking a bunch of innocent people in a park, I'm sure it'll zoom to the top of the "most wanted" list by those whos egos are the size of Texas but have the brains you could fit on the tip of a pin!!
And Loey, once again, you're bang on...as we've always said, it's the dog that loses in the end but also this just gives the dog hating public and the "ever quick to please with a knee-jerk reaction" politicians more ammunition for the banned breed lists.
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Post by Aussienot on Jan 7, 2006 22:13:54 GMT -5
Yep any excuse to introduce, publisize, make money from, and then ban a breed, and the humans are NEVER F'NG held responsible. (excuse me for a minute now, I need to dismount, feed and water my high horse).
We had a tragic case here that had me absolutely screaming at the TV. A family with a two year old was visiting relatives in the country over Christmas.
The farming family being visited had a Black Russian Terrier. The dog's job was to protect the sheep and property at night. This was a working dog and not a pet. Because they knew company was comming, the dog was 1) chained up -2) in a separate gated pasture -3) in a closed, latched shed and- 4) 4 acres away from the house.
The visiting parents had been warned of the dog's location and had been asked to keep their child out of the gated pasture where the dog was secured.
The two year old was unsupervised long enough to cross four acres, climb up on the gate and open it, find the shed, open the shed, and get herself killed by the chained up dog.
The expensive imported dog was shot by its distraught owner.
Really sad that the girl died. Where were the parents that should have been watching the baby girl? No one ever pointed out their culpability in the tragedy. I cannot find it in my soul to feel sympathy for their loss since they are not taking responsibility for their actions. That's what had me screaming at the TV. Leave them alone to grieve, but don't make heros out of them.
The dog was prevented from approaching the baby. Why wasn't the baby prevented from approaching the dog?
The police reckoned the little girl had been left outside while the adults partied for at least two hours. Even the police shied away from blaming the dog, saying that it was a working dog and not a pet.
But not one of the news media took the oportunity to explain to parents that they need to teach their children not to approach a chained up dog. Of course, they took the popular emotional approach - calls to ban the breed. Why educate when you can exploit? (damn, thought I had stabled that pony)
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Post by sibemom on Jan 7, 2006 22:35:28 GMT -5
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Post by Aussienot on Jan 13, 2006 16:22:12 GMT -5
I think it goes back to human nature and the drive for status symbols. Some people want to own the 'extreme dog' just the way they want the 'extreme car'. It's not the thing itself, it's the joy of OWNING such a thing that people want. A way of standing out from the crowd.
Until it becomes so popular that a new status symbol must be found.
I suppose the 180# Caucasian Mountain Dog is the canine equivalent of a Hummer on suburban streets.
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Post by Brooke on Jan 14, 2006 11:18:57 GMT -5
He wasn't teaching him to chase cars, the dog is so aggressive he does it whenever the man tries to walk him on leash, and the dog is so big/powerful the man can't control him. Whoops I read it wrong...
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Post by Laura on Jan 14, 2006 23:58:14 GMT -5
I finally saw that on NGC too, the Caucasian Ovchartka (sp?) shouldn't even be BRED, never mind sold to Joe Q. Public . And when enough of them get out of control and attack humans, well, I hope that "breeder" gets the reality that she contributed to her breeds banning. And the segment on the Klee Kai made me want to puke, Carole Din, the breeder they featured, is such a wonderful breeder that she has several pups that are highly dog aggressive and her main brood bitch was killed by a GSD down the road because Carole couldn't be bothered making sure her yard was secure. Vomit. The whole show made me fairly ill, it was a collection of half truths and a showcase of stupidity. Linda, the story is horrifying, the parents of that child should have been prosecuted for neglect and contributing to the death of a minor , but once again, accountability means squat. I suppose the 180# Caucasian Mountain Dog is the canine equivalent of a Hummer on suburban streets. And to the man who feels the need to own either one of those I say "Sorry about your (insert favorite slang for male genitalia here)".
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