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Post by sibemom on Sept 25, 2004 6:49:45 GMT -5
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Post by Richard on Sept 25, 2004 7:25:57 GMT -5
These two were brother and sister, inbred because their parents were brother and sister. So the pups were a very bad mix to start with. This (inbreeding) being done in any breedline is sick....to allow it in the Pit breed is just plain ignorant and dangerous with the resulting litters...what the he!! is the matter with people today...oh, wait, I know, a lot of them are just screwed in the head... A lot of people out there keep redefining the meaning of stupidity daily....they make it look so easy....
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Post by SassyandZeusMom on Oct 27, 2004 21:14:43 GMT -5
I know I'll get chewed on for this, but what the hell.. I agree the dogs that did this damage got what they desereved.. but to label all pit bulls killers is wrong. I know some very well trained pit bulls, and they don't have an aggersive bone in thie body.. I think that all pits do have dog-dog aggersion, but not all are the killers so many people make them out to be.. I know there are crappy members of the breed out there, but please don't label them all bad..
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Post by ixtlan on Feb 9, 2005 18:17:05 GMT -5
Greetings, I have had the opportunity to train a Pit. This dog was one of the smartest dogs I ever trained. And gentle he was, with other dogs and people. I feel sorry that Pits are having such a hard time of it. This person who was foolish enough to form a pack with 2 Pits, is to blame. If he had had one that was trained it may not of happened. I really love these dogs, I understand how everyone feels about this. I have found that it is almost always human error and not dog fault or the breed. I am far from an expert on Pits but my experience has been very good with them. But this is a dog that must be socialized and trained well. They are so very strong.
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Post by ladyarya on Feb 12, 2005 8:25:12 GMT -5
It's quite judgmental of all of us to be sitting here labeling all pits as vicious killers.
Sure they can be... but so can any other breed of dog if it's trained to do that.
In my apartment complex, there are hundreds of dogs (450 units and almost everyone owns at least one) and I can count off at least 15 pits by name off the top of my head that live within a few apartments of me. Never had a problem with any one of them. Have they gotten loose once in a while? Sure, what dog hasn't. And yet the last time one of these pits got loose, I was walking Karma and the pit ran right up to both of us and started licking the two of us as if she had known us forever... and she had never seen us before, ever. She let me take her lead and pass it over to her owner without incident. I've known plenty of pits in my time and out of all of them, only one ever showed signs of aggression, and thats only because she was used as a bait dog and the person who adopted her was trying to rehabilitate her... and has, at this point, done so rather successfully.
Yeah sure, label all pits mean. I suppose that means my friend Chris' purebred pit should be chained and muzzled all her life? Funny, because the last time I saw that dog she was laying on the floor with a 4 year old using her as a pillow. (Note: different dog than the bait dog mentioned above.. just to clarify)
I hate to be judgmental myself, but being that we're all dog people here, I kind of expected more from us than believing everything we hear from the media about a certain breed. Am I denying that pits have attacked other dogs and humans? Nope, but I'm also not denying that other breeds have done it and will continue to do it. And if you look at statistics, pits are one of the lowest percentages of annual dog attacks.
I was attacked by a dog when I was three years old and I landed in the hospital for it. It was a Shih Tzu.
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Post by sibemom on Feb 12, 2005 9:15:41 GMT -5
I understand your concern for Breed Bias, and believe me I hold no grude against the breed. What I do have a problem with is owners who refuse to take the responsiablity of what nature has already instilled in a particular breed. I know many a Pit bull who have been the sweetest more gentle dogs, and no they were not dog aggresive because the owner trained them well. I also know a man who muzzles his pit everytime he takes him out for a walk not because the dog is aggresive but because he feels it's his responsiablity to ensure the safety of anyone that comes in contact with him and because the general public is afraid of a pit this is his way of keeping his dog safe. Not to long ago a GSD got loose and maulled a small dog that was in it's own yard. This too was unprevoked. I agree that any dog could have done this BUT when you know that the breed you have choosen for your pet has the tendency for this type of behavior because of what the breed was intended for you must make sure you manage it. I felt bad for the pit's even though I had had several run in's with them before, not pretty I might add, but then again they were killed for this incident and the GSD was not. Even though I own a GSD, I think that the law should clearly dictate fairly and not be biased to breed when something like this happens. The owner of the GSD was only charged with a small fine, yet the owner of the pit's, even though he is a scum bag , was given a hefty fine, and thrown in jail for 60 days. Both dogs had complaints on them before so this was not the first time for either. To me I do not understand what the difference was. My only thought is that because his dogs were Pit Bulls he got a heftier repromand. NOT FAIR . Both attacks were because the dogs were running at large, both attacks caused severe injury to another dog, and both dogs were capapble of attacking a human. It should have been the same for both owners. That is what makes me angery
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Post by ladyarya on Feb 12, 2005 9:41:29 GMT -5
Now that I agree with. There shouldn't be a breed bias. If your dog attacks someone/another dog it should be delt with. The owners need to take responsibility for their dogs. Yes. But putting a heftier fine on a pit just because he is a pit or banning pits from a certain county/state/whatever is just overboard and insane. It's a sure sign of people acting on a lot of fear and very little knowledge. If you're going to ban pits because they bite, you'll have to ban all breeds that bite... and really, isn't that all breeds when you get right down to it? Any dog who is not trained well can bite. It all comes down to the owner of any dog taking the proper precautions, but singling out one breed just makes me crazy. They had a dog on tv the other day whos owner hit it with a hammer to make it mean.. and it worked... and it was a little dog (dachshund maybe?) If you train your dog to be mean or breed two specific dogs that you know are agreessive, then yes you and the dogs both need to be dealt with... but saying a pit is mean just because he is a pit without knowing anything about the dog's owners is just ignorant. And sure they're big and muscular... but it's like something I once heard. A woman was yelling at this man about teaching rifle safety to teenagers (for hunting purposes) and her argument was "you're equipping these children to be murderers!" He said "Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but that doesn't mean you are one..." It's a fallacy to think just because a dog can means that he will. But then again, I'm an advocate for mandatory obedience training for the OWNER before they are ever allowed to have a dog in their care. Owners like the ones of these pits make me think the cop should have taken the gun to him instead of the dogs. Hearing about bad owners make me crazy.
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Post by tonka on Apr 23, 2005 16:39:28 GMT -5
well I just thought I would add a few things regarding some things people had in their posts. I am not by any means "pro" any type of breed but it does seem like a few of you have it out for the pit bull. Nature isnt what did it to the Pit Bull, It was human beings that wanted a dog that was /dog/animal aggressive. They were and (unfortunatly still are) selectively bred for those aggressive traits. It is so much part of their ancestory b/c of what man did to that breed, that when it comes down to the bottom line we can put a very large blame on man himself. AGAIN BLAME MAN HIMSELF! I agree that all owners of the pit bull and other aggressive dogs should know their history and understand the breed b/c its something that will not change overnight as it took many years to get this breed to what it is today. Irresponsible owners of ANY dog that does damage (to animals or people) should be held liable under strict laws and the penalties severe. Somehow we need to make people realize that their stupity/ignorance etc. will not be tolerated at someone elses expense. so are you saying that same breed dog fights are better. WE SHOULD NOT BE OK WITH ANY BREED DOG FIGHTING ITS OWN KIND OR OTHERS!!!!! Please read up on the history of the pit Bull. The breed was not what is today. Oh and by the way I know of quite of few pit bulls that are very loving and well mannered. They love to please their owners and a few are in households with other dogs. Multi-dog owners are always aware that they can be aggressive and they take precautions. I hope I havent offended anyone but with all the hype about pit bulls lately it drives me crazy that we dont hear about the other breeds that are also biting at a higher rate than this breed. www.pitbullregistry.com/Pit%20Bull%20History.htmlwww.realpitbull.com/history.html here are some urls if anyone is interested in the pit bull heritage.
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Post by Richard on Apr 23, 2005 20:45:11 GMT -5
tonka,
Welcome aboard
Helluva first post......I hope you stick around and read more from the folks who you quoted here...we're a good group of dog handlers and most speak from experience developed over many years.
And thank you for the urls, it's nice to see that there is some positives about the Pit Bull breed..
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Post by Am on Apr 25, 2005 19:56:28 GMT -5
Hi, I'm going to jump in on the pit-bulls side as well. ;D As far as I can tell, it's true that pitties tend to be mentally and physically tough dogs. And it's true they can be dog aggressive. They definately need committed, responsible and experienced owners! However, there are lots of other dog breeds out there that are just as bad in my opinion. All large guard breeds are dangerous if they're not treated properly (think Rottie, Doberman, German Shepherd...) I've yet to see any stats that prove that a de-sexed, obedience trained Pitbull from a family home is more dangerous to humans than your average large guard dog. When someone proves THAT to me, then I'm happy for them to ban pits! As for it being terrible that those dog-aggressive dogs were allowed to escape and hurt another dog, I agree with that. Any human or pet-aggressive dog needs to be kept under control, at all times. However, it's not just Pit bulls that have the potential to kill other people's pets if they are allowed to wander. Many smaller breeds - fox terriers, beagles, jack russells - are known for being terrible with smaller pets. I would be devastated if someone's dog-aggressive Pitbull escaped and killed my dog. But I would be EXACTLY as angry if someone's fox terrier escaped from their yard and killed my dear little cat. Yet because they're small and "cute" these dogs often roam my neighbourhood with noone complaining, where a larger dog would be immediately picked up by dog control. What's up with that? Cheers Am
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Post by Tammi21 on Apr 27, 2005 22:18:56 GMT -5
Ok this is where I stand on this. The Pit is a smart Dog and can be a good dog, if it is well cared for and trained right. But sadly that most times is not the case. Most of the time some idiot will get them just because the breed can be a killer. They think that if they have a dog that has a“BAD TO THE BONE” rep, then it makes them the owner “BAD TO THE BONE.” But all that happens are things like other dogs getting hurt or people and KIDS! sometime people are dumb twits and it makes me sick! I once lived next guy that would brag that his dogs were “KILLERS” one time when he said it me, I made the comment back that “I hope that they get YOU first.” I know it was bad to think that, but the guy was so mean to his dogs, and we called animal control on the guy a lot. One day he moved out and left one of the dogs to starve to death. I called animal control and the poor dog got taken away. ;D PS, I know that you take good care of you dog Am, don’t think I was saying all those bad things about you. ;D
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