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Post by Iluvmypup on Jul 19, 2004 19:59:52 GMT -5
I was wondering if anyone here has read the book Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson? Its my favorite training book, even if there are a few points I don't agree with.
Also, how about Ian Dunbar? I just got a book of his, and I'm going to start reading it tomorrow. I'm curious if any of you guys have ever heard or read any of his books?
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Post by Laura on Jul 19, 2004 20:56:06 GMT -5
I liked Culture Clash, she makes some good points in it, particularly for novice dog owners (the story of the Gorns and their human pets is very effective ;D). Ian Dunbar is okay, people revere him as a guru, but he's just spinning OC training in a little different way, but nothing really new or radical. Luv, the best book recommendation I can make for any trainer is Stephen Lindsay's "Handbook of Applied Dog Behavior, Vol. 1 and II". Pretty pricey at 80 bucks and 60 bucks respectively, but are a phenomenal wealth of info.
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Post by Iluvmypup on Jul 20, 2004 8:49:05 GMT -5
Thanks, I'll check that book out! I don't mind the price so bad, as long I get my money worth. ;D
I just started reading Ian Dunbar, and I have to agree with you. He's OK, but I don't find him as great as some people claim him to be. So, Culture Clash is still my favorite for now. ;D
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Post by amyjo on Aug 5, 2004 8:49:40 GMT -5
I am enjoying "Culture Clash" by Donaldson. I really liked her explanation of how dogs think...safe/unsafe vrs right/wrong.. and I thought her description of how the OWNER actually creates the most common housebreaking problem...(not pottying outside and slinking off to do it inside) was brilliant!
I also understand a little more why positive punishement wrongly applied can do more harm than good and can actually teach the wrong things....and can see a little more the PP trainers point of view. Corrections CAN be counterproductive and even dangerous in the wrong hands.
I am really glad she doesn't discount them all together though - because ignoring half of operant conditioning theory is like trying to swim with one arm and one leg tied behind your back. ;D
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Post by Aussienot on Feb 25, 2005 17:43:37 GMT -5
Culture Clash is a seriously good book. It's positive motivation but not purely positive. "Dogs are not obedient to commands. Dogs are obedient to the laws of learning". Wow, that made me think for a while.
The whole debunking of the idea that dogs are eager to please was well presented. I liked the practical application of the training ideas - the rules of tug of war are great. And I've started calling Finn Lemon Head.
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Post by gunny on Mar 19, 2005 23:18:28 GMT -5
I have donadsons book, I enjoyed her training method. but felt her delivery was very coarse and condesending. she used an approach that very much assumed the person reading was all ready "doing it all wrong" and "my way is the right way "anyway I felt a lot of her points were right. the thing I am finding training is that there is no black and white answer and different dogs respond to different things.
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Post by Brooke on Mar 20, 2005 11:18:47 GMT -5
I have donadsons book, I enjoyed her training method. but felt her delivery was very coarse and condesending. she used an approach that very much assumed the person reading was all ready "doing it all wrong" and "my way is the right way "anyway I felt a lot of her points were right. the thing I am finding training is that there is no black and white answer and different dogs respond to different things. I like you already ;D
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Post by gunny on Apr 10, 2005 19:03:09 GMT -5
thanks brooke
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