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Post by vourt on Feb 27, 2006 4:50:46 GMT -5
Hi all, I picked up doberman 11 months old for a dogs shelter 3 weeks ago.
Shes a great and butifull dog with me and other dogs. BUT when any new human is getting around - shes becaming crazy with trying to attack his legs and barking all over with crazy temper. I currently have no money to invest in proffesional training,and i really like to keep her with me, is there anything i can do by myself to help her get out of this dangerous and crazy temper?
Will be happy to hear any comment or tips.
Thanks a lot,
Kfir. kfirmr@gmail.com
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Post by Nicole on Mar 3, 2006 7:46:11 GMT -5
Hi Vourt. I think if you gave some more information you might get some help.
Tell us what kind of training you have done so far, what you do when she acts as she does and under what specific circumstance she acts crazy...when people come in the house, when she sees them on the street etc. What is your response to her when she does this. Do you have a crate. Do you let her on your bed. Tell us about a day with your dog. Does she get exercise. Do you take her out..etc.
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Post by Aussienot on Mar 4, 2006 2:18:33 GMT -5
As a generalisation, Dobies from show/pet lines tend to be soft-nerved and highly strung dogs. In addition to the questions Nicole asked, do you know why she was surrendered to a shelter? How much experience have you had with high energy intelligent dogs?
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Post by Brooke on Mar 4, 2006 15:34:11 GMT -5
Dobies are great dogs to have! They've gotten a bad reputation that's for sure but based on my personal experiences all the ones I've ever met and the half breed that I owned, they are more energetic and goofy than anything. They are the hugest goofballs in the world. I love them! They tend to be dominant but no where near what other breeds can be. They've become a very misunderstood breed.
I'm sure we can help you but you'll need to give us more information.
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Post by vourt on Mar 5, 2006 3:44:04 GMT -5
Hi All, thanks very much for the respone, i'll try to give all information here. - Shes trained so far to sit when i tell her, and to come to me when i call her (most of the time she do it, but not all the time). the problem is with any new people around, street or house or beach is no matter, when theres new people around she gets very aggresive and frighten from any voice and move.she also tries to atack the legs of them, so i use most of the time a gag. i had no stable response to the atack so far, what should it be?
i have a big garden so she sleep in her small house there, most of the time with me in the house(not on bed) but night time she have her house. taking her out in morning 15 minutes, and in evening 1 hour of running with her. weekends in the beach she run and have fun in water.
i think she came to the shelter becouse 2 reasons: - shes pissing when shes very exited -like when i come home after long day.(she was living in their house with no garden) - the attack of new people
in the shelter she was for about 1 month, and was very hard to take her from there becouse of the agression problem, but i felt i have to do it and hopefully i will cure her from this.
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Post by Nicole on Mar 5, 2006 9:05:53 GMT -5
First off what is a “gag”. The urination is an act of submission. She can’t help that. She does this because she is submitting to you, She is telling you that she understands that you are superior and she does this so that you won't hurt her. It is dog communication although not one that we enjoy. Once she trusts you and gains confidence it will stop. Do not ever scold her for this. It is like a heart beat. She has no control over it. When you come home, ignore her for a bit. Don't hover over her. Per her chest rather than her head. Get down on her level to pet her. Don't seem big and scary. Second, her behavior towards people sounds like fear. She is acting aggressive because she is afraid. This is unfortunately something that you may never fix. It could be genetic or learned. You may keep her controlled with leadership and obedience. Do you have any experience with dogs at all? I am sensing that you may not because of your statement about her coming. She should never be given the opportunity to not come. Do not use the command if you cannot reel her to you on a lead. Otherwise she is only going to learn that she doesn’t have to come. What happens when you encounter a person while she is running on the beach. She should not be allowed to run free unless you have control with your commands. What would you do if she attacked someone on the beach? There are so many threads on this board in this aggression forum about how to deal with a fear aggressive dog. NILIF is essential so that she gains confidence and knows that you are a fair and trustworthy leader who will protect her. Go and read the threads and then come back and ask questions. It is a huge topic. For now, do not put her in a position where she feels the need to aggress toward people. She should not be off lead around people. And she needs more exercise. Once a day for an hour is not enough for an energetic pup.
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Post by vourt on Mar 5, 2006 9:30:04 GMT -5
1st thanks a lot for the tips, helped me a lot. Gag is the thing i put to close her mouth so she can not bite. one thing you said really anoying me as you said the problem of fear can never be solved, as she's going to live with small childrens, i have a lot of friends always around, and i dont want to live her with this 'gag' things all the times people around, as i dont want her to be frighten all the times.
its really hard to me to invest money on a professional trainer, but if u say that this the only thing can help, i will just do it.
Thanks again, Kfir.
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Post by Brooke on Mar 5, 2006 9:50:19 GMT -5
Here is an article on submissive urination dogden.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=articles&action=display&thread=1074722989You may see a huge change in her once you start using NILIF methods. It can help with the fear part but it does not mean it will go away completely. It's always worth a try. It's going to instill confidence she has in not only herself and what is required of her but you as her leader and protector, as long as you follow it to a tee. You may see positive changes in her. The biggest thing you can do to help her is be completely consistant in correcting her and in what you expect of her otherwise she will never get it and she will never be comfortable because she won't know what to expect.
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Post by willow on Mar 5, 2006 10:03:56 GMT -5
If the "gag" actually will not let her open her mouth to pant, I would never, ever use one. Dogs sweat on their tongues and pads of their feet. They keep them selves from over heating by panting. If your dog cannot open her mouth to pant, she will over heat and pass out or die.
Please, please do not use a "gag" on her! You must come up with another solution to her biting problem.
It sounds like you live in a country other than the US. Are you able to obtain a basket muzzle? It is made of wire and fits over the dogs muzzle so they can still open their mouth to drink and pant. If you feel you must use some thing to prevent her from biting people, please check into getting a basket muzzle.
I also suggest you read through the posts here on aggression as Nicki suggested, because she is right in saying that fear aggression cannot usually be "cured", it can only be "managed" by you never letting her off leash around people, training her to obey you 100% of the time, and always watching her.
I also agree with Nicki that she needs more exercise and would suggest you get up an hour earlier in the morning to give her a good run before you leave for the day.
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Post by Nicole on Mar 5, 2006 12:05:44 GMT -5
Loey that is a great point!!
One more important thing to remember. When the dog startles or acts afraid of something, never, never soothe her. Don't say awww, you are fine, its OK etc. That will make her think that she should be afraid. You should just act like it is no big deal. She will pick up that since you are not afraid, she doesn't have to be.
Also, keep in mind that this dog has only been with you for three weeks. Everything is new to her. She doesn't know you or trust you yet. You should have a crate where she can go to feel safe. You can keep her in the crate when people come over until you deal with this problem. Don't hoist her into so many new things at once. Give her some time to relax and get used to you.
Structure her life. Do training every day, several times a day. Keep her safe and keep people safe.
And yes I really do think that you should get a good trainer to help you. And read all the threads here in training and aggression so that you can get a good idea as to how dogs act and react and how to deal with this and other problems.
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Post by willow on Mar 5, 2006 12:31:05 GMT -5
Wow! Great video Brook, to show how not to greet a strange dog! Although the man is down on the dogs level, he reaches out to touch the dog, and having eye contact. Then he raises up and leans over the dog! What else did I miss? ;D This man is fortunate indeed, that the dog did not bite his face off, but just gave him a warning.
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Post by Richard on Mar 5, 2006 13:01:49 GMT -5
Sorry 'bout the hijack here....
Also note, that is a police dog.
As the man in the light colored shirt is moving towards him, you can see the sheppy moving back as a reaction. The dog could be thinking, "is he after me, my partner or both of us?".
To make things worse, with the guys hands moving around his head and lower neck area while moving closer, it's no wonder the dog gave him a sheppy tooth wash. Being down on his level just gives him less distance to send a strong message to the man: "back off!!"
The Officer should of controlled the situation better if he knows his partner doens't like "up close and fuzzy" contacts.
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Post by vourt on Mar 8, 2006 9:07:55 GMT -5
Starting the NILIF on her, will update you whats going on, thanks.
just a short one - is it ok to let her sleep on some blankts near my bed or better leave her in the night out in the garden where she have doghouse?
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Post by willow on Mar 8, 2006 9:53:32 GMT -5
None of my dogs are ever allowed on our furniture or beds, but they are allowed to sleep in my room at night on their own beds, because dogs are "pack" animals and like to sleep near the other pack members, so as long as your dog especially, since she has shown some signs of aggression, is not allowed on furniture or beds, I think she should be allowed to sleep in your bedroom with you.
And yes, please keep us posted on how she is doing. ;D
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