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Post by Richard on Apr 17, 2004 8:17:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I think she's either another convulted character of that sites owner or just a troll with nothing better to do....to post so boldy where no common-sensed dog owner has never gone seems to be her game..he/she/it, has not changed...
Regarding what is written by that person, it's really not worth the time to respond....besides, LindaW put her one dog down and I bet the other is gone now too...hopefully her husband wasn't next up on the chopping block....hey I know, keep the willy and toss the husband away!..hahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
-Richard
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Post by Willow on Apr 17, 2004 9:42:45 GMT -5
I don't know how I missed this discussion on my favorite person!!! ;D I really don't understand why Adam lets her stay!! But then, given what kind of person Adam is, I guess it's understandable after all. Sad, sad person, that Veeeeeeeeega, and sad, sad dog training site! To reminisce alittle...When I first found his site years ago I had a run in with him almost immediately, because the discussion was about Landlords refusing to rent to people who had certain breeds. Some guy had wrote in saying he had a Rottie, and was finding it hard to rent, and Adam's reply was to "tell the Landlord the dog was a Lab...he was probably so stupid he wouldn't know the difference anyway." Boy!! I raked Adam up one side and down the other for telling someone to do that, and said what would happen if the dog did bite someone? Labs would then get a bad rap and end up on the *dangerous dog list*, not to mention the fact that lying, I thought, was totally wrong. What ensued was a long discussion with most agreeing with me and Adam finally admitting that was probably not the best thing to do! That should have told me right there what kind of person he was and I should have beat feet out of there for good, but the bright side is, if I had, I wouldn't have eventually met all of you! ;D
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Post by Brooke on Apr 17, 2004 12:16:56 GMT -5
Oh doesn't that response just fit D Ames? I guess she forgot that veega said "Not only do I feel I'm above the rest, I know it. I know noone here delivers the resultys I do, noone approaches dog training from the behav. stands as I do." in dog training and behavior knowlege.
I find that funny because she's bit more times than everyone put together on that board. I also saw a comment that she made where she pulled her bull dog "OFF THE GROUND" by it's ears and held him there.
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Post by sibemom on Apr 17, 2004 12:50:00 GMT -5
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Post by sibemom on Apr 17, 2004 18:47:45 GMT -5
OK that does it. That thing d. ames locked the thread after she dumped her stupid PRO PRO PRO crap on me. It was like hit and run. I am so glad I do not go to that moronic forum unless it's to trash somebody like VEEEEEEGA. Pro trainers do not brag about bites they feel ashamed, and a little foolish because they should have known better. It happens but it is never taken as lightly as VEEEEEEEGA took it, she bragged about it . There is a light on but nobody is home
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Post by Willow on Apr 17, 2004 19:13:23 GMT -5
I finally got time to read the whole thread.
Are Veegaa, d.Ames and the other guy with the pack of fighting dogs in his bedroom, (and he's naked) all on drugs!? There is something definately wrong mentally with ALL of them!
I found the post by the naked guy revolting to say the least!!
I can't even find words to describe Veega and d.ames!!!
Ann, your posts were excellent and the only ones that made sense.
I am totally sick to my stomach to think they are *training* dogs!! Torturing them is more like it.
You know...Veega is a downright liar. Waaay back when I was posting on that site she was bragging about all her *battle scars* and saying how many times she got bit. Now in this thread she's saying this is the only time she was bitten this bad. She also goes back and forth about it not hurting because *she's numb*, to saying *it finally quit hurting* or something like that! I wonder what mental hospital she escaped from...or was let out of? Boy! Would I love to know who and what she really is!!!!
I can't believe the whole thing. Just plain ridiculous.
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Post by Willow on Apr 17, 2004 19:18:29 GMT -5
If I knew how to go about it, I would sic PETA on them! And the naked guy in the middle of a pack of fighting dogs should have had his *thingy* bit off instead of just bitten, so he can't breed and bring more into the world like him!!!
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Post by Willow on Apr 18, 2004 8:33:37 GMT -5
...And one more thing... ;D Did I miss it, or didn't anyone else give Veeeeeeeega any adivse either? One guy objected to the way she dragged the dog around for a half hr., and someone else said they don't work with aggressive dogs anymore because she doesn't want her face rearranged or something to that effect, but I didn't see where anyone...not even d.ames gave her any advise, yet d.ames didn't come down on any of them! I do agree with Cathy however, those dogs should be put down before they put someone in the hospital. O.k....I'm finished now.
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Post by HeartBreakKid on Apr 19, 2004 0:59:25 GMT -5
Hey Im new here and I just found this site today. I thought Dogproblems.com was a good site but I hear all this anger and stories about them being morons. Hey Im not on anyones side but can you guys explain what is wrong with Adamns techniques or anyone elses on that site. I am a newby and I love to hear both sides of the story. It is true that they preach adams word like the bible so I would like a lil info so I dont mess up my dog and end up abusing her with bad training methods.
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Post by sibemom on Apr 19, 2004 6:28:34 GMT -5
The problems with what we are talking about is not the training methods it's the attitude of the site owner. The methods that you read in his book are nothing special they are mostly just common sense there is no secret to what he is preaching or nothing new about his training plan. Some of the people that post there have good sound advice but the thread that we were disscusing here is rediculous. What this person did to those poor dogs was way out of line and then to brag about getting bit One thing in becomming a good dog owner/trainer is to respectfuly listen to others opinions and not close your mind to suggestions. At DP if you dissagree with the moderators or some of there SPECIAL members you are shunned. For most of us here we have had issues in the past with that forum and with Adam himself. If you want to get a good feel for exactly who he is go to Leerburg and check the scammer hall of fame. Ed Frawley is an exceptional dog trainer and I would take his advice over Adams anyday. Mr. Frawley has worked very hard at keeping his training methods clear and simple and even though he is rather blunt with his responses he and the members of his forum, like here, are willing to help and offer sound advice with no underlying agendas. I don't think any of us are bitter we just are sick and tired of people presenting themselves as something they are not. So no you wont screw up your dog by following that training plan but the point is that plan has been around for a long time and is not something that was invented by Mr. Katz
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Post by Brooke on Apr 19, 2004 14:31:23 GMT -5
The methods are great it's the owners view of everything. Adam believes that his methods and the pinch/e-collars are for use on every dog. From the timid soft abused dog to the most fierce dominant aggressive dogs. He thinks its a cure for every problem problem dog in the world. You can read that alone in his stickied threads. "All dogs are hardwired the same way" Last I checked dogs were not mechanical. He has a screw loose. You can really do damage to certain dogs by training them the wrong ways. Training with a pinch is no more universal than training with a clicker. I don't care who you are or how much experience you have it's just not so. Many of us here have had personal issues with him and it's not just us. Stay there long enough and you will see it. I've read things on his board (which of course were quickly deleted) where people begin to see the light. I've also talked to other people who at one point or time were members there. All I can say is...don't buy his book or anything else from him if you ever want to disagree with him. Once you do that he will have no second thoughts about banning you if you ever disagree with him or cross him. Even if it is done in the nicest way. Ask GSD (Ken) who was a regular member there for a looong time...Then again I forgot you aren't allowed to coverse off the board with any other members. I could tell you exactly why but...I won't get into all that here. Long story... Don't even get me started on the infomercial stuff. The book is good permitted it's used on the correct dogs. (Although too many analogies in my opinion). The thing that burns me the most is that they allow this person (veega) to remain on that board. She classifies herself as a professional but I have never seen anything from her that really adds up to it. She has been bitten more than all of the people I know put together. She rarely offers any advice to anyone except for the one time when she announced she had picked her dominant aggressive bull dog up "by his ears" and held him in the air BY THEM. I'm sorry but the only thing that proves is that she is a lunatic. And they protect her! I don't get it... she doesn't even offer up anything advice wise to that board. Why they protect someone like that and allow her to continue her crap is beyond me...Personally I think she's a long standing troll because she either seriously dosen't know what she's doing or she's doing it on purous to get a rise out of people. Either way it's sad because untrained people read that and who knows what they walk away doing to their dogs.
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Post by Willow on Apr 19, 2004 18:48:26 GMT -5
;D You go, girl! ;D All that you said and much, much more!
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Post by Dobemom on Apr 20, 2004 15:02:31 GMT -5
Finally getting around to reading some stuff! One word: .
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Post by Brooke on Apr 20, 2004 19:11:55 GMT -5
Hey Ann... There is a reply for you in another thread from Veegaa if you aren't aware...
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Post by sibemom on Apr 20, 2004 19:48:16 GMT -5
Ok I responded to the nutcase. What the hell does she mean this is the first time she got bit in 15 years She bragged before about bites. Yes I would have worked with that dog I know stupid but I would have given it a try. Did anyone ever hear of a MUZZLE. Someone else kind of reamed her and that was good but not good enough. She makes me sick and your right if some poor novice goes over there and reads this stuff you are going to have abused dogs on every corner and the ER will be full of dog bites. Do they take no responsiablity for their words especailly when it's such CRAP Oh wait I got a reply back lets see what they have to say.
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