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Post by amyjo on Feb 25, 2004 10:05:11 GMT -5
When a dog exhibits "jealousy" when his owner pets another dog by going after the other dog in question - is this a form of resource guarding? The way I read this -the owner "belongs" to the dog and the dog is protecting his resource from the other dog. Is there another way to see this?
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Post by Brooke on Feb 25, 2004 12:18:19 GMT -5
omg....this happens with Peeka and Kuma all the time It drives me nutz!
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Post by amyjo on Feb 25, 2004 12:22:28 GMT -5
Let me guess....Peeka goes after Kuma
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Post by Brooke on Feb 25, 2004 12:29:30 GMT -5
hahaha gee how did you guess? Every once and awhile kuma will nudge her way between us but she never really attacks Peeka....(still drives me crazy though). Peeka is always going after kuma...(wagging her tail the whole time. Its half play.) but she rips Kuma's hair out alllllll the time. I don't let her get away with it but Shen does.
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Post by Willow on Feb 25, 2004 12:39:07 GMT -5
I don't know what the *experts* call this, but nevertheless, I don't think it should be allowed at all.
Kerra ha the tendency to be this way, when I was fostering for the breed rescues and I would be paying attention to the *new* dog in the pack. If she so much as growled at the new dog, I would reprimand her and make her stop. Of course, if the *new* dog was the one doing any growling, postering etc., I put a stop to it too.
She does not do this with *Pup*, and if I am loving on him etc., she just lies there watching us, but does not come over and try to horn in or get Pup to leave by showing any aggression. I won't tolerate this and she knows it. This has never been an issue with Pup. He is a happy go lucky type of guy with no issues.
I know most experts will tell you to let the dogs fight it out to establish their *rank*. I say this is BS. I am the Alpha and I control the whole pack and will not tolerate fighting for any reason. Am I wrong? I'm sure the experts would say I am, but it has worked for me for all these years, so I am not going to change it now.
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Post by amyjo on Feb 25, 2004 12:51:17 GMT -5
I was wondering if it may show a rank problem between the owner and the dog doing the "guarding" I mean it's almost like the dog possses the person.
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Post by Richard on Feb 25, 2004 12:52:36 GMT -5
Our next door neighbours (who Rocky knows very well - they'll come over and let him out when we're away for an extended period of time) have a 5 year old shihtzu....
They don't have any kids so this is thier kid...very well tempermented dog, says hi, good with kids, but is aloof after a short time..."I said hi, what else is there to do ?"
Anyway, one day we're out front in the driveway, dogs and owners, and Rocky goes over and sits near Sharon (our neighbour) and she starts giving him some pets and talking to him....he's all sucky at this point. Well doens't Shadow (all 14lb of him) come over and start growling and tries to bounce Rocky (all 90lb of him) out of the way....Rocky jumps up and comes over to me and sits...Shadow proudly sits in front of his owner. At the time it was cute, but I can see where you can get the idea of owner protection...even in the small breeds...
He's only done it one other time and it's never bothered Rocky either. We pick up Shadow and he doesn't really seemed concerned in any way.
-Richard
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Post by amyjo on Feb 25, 2004 13:04:03 GMT -5
Brooke - I was reading over my posts and I didn't mean to sound like you have a rank problem with Peeka - I know you work real hard with her and she still has a ways to go... I was asking in general...seems my friend Tbone has this habit and I saw something like this happen on "Cell Dogs" which just sort of stirred my curiosity.
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Post by Brooke on Feb 25, 2004 13:19:10 GMT -5
Oh no no.... I didn't take offense at all. Didn't even think to ;D Our biggest issues are because Shen doesn't enforce all the rules that I would like for him to. He's one of those wishy washy kinda people who think that they should be able to do what makes them happy ....a lot of the time...not all. He wants them to be able to chew rawhides and I am TOTALLY against it. Thats something I've put my foot down on but he fights me tooth and nail about it every chance he gets. He flips out because his dog when he was younger always got them and never had a problem I have a feeling he hides them and sneaks them to them when him not here...which is why I have a feeling Peeka's tooth got chipped and ended up with an emergency run one weekend last month. Yet he still pushes the issue because "it makes them happy to chew them, and we don't always eat things that are healthy for us...so why shouldn't they have the same happieness?" He doesn't understand why I want them to eat a healthier diet...since I've been talking about EVENTUALLY switching them to raw. It almost disgusts me the way he treats them sometimes.... He makes Peeka lay in his lap while he plays video games. all kinds of things like that. Then he of course doesn't understand why they don't listen to him as well and so on. Such as when he is eating. Why does she get in my face? Well gee, I don't know you let her sit in your lap all the time and you feed them junk food and other stuff right out of your hand. ...some of that wishy washiness allows their (well...mostly peeka's) untrained problems stem over to me of course. They try to sit and stare me down while I eat. Not as bad as it does with him but its an on going battle. Of course when he's yelling at the dogs and you remind him he trained them to be that way he gets mad and doesn't want to hear it but won't change. Does it sound like I need a vacation...?
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Post by amyjo on Feb 25, 2004 13:31:03 GMT -5
Oh Brooke - my husband is the same way... last night we had a house guest and even though my husband doesn't participate in training he likes to show off all of Kylie's tricks. So they are sitting in the living room and he is telling her " down, down down DOWN!" and she is just sitting there looking at him. He says "Amy! what's wrong with her?" I walk into the room from the kitchen - she takes one look at me and hits the deck! OMG it was hilarious! Then he was trying to get her to roll and she wouldn't do it - she was just laying there barking and play growling then she jumped up and started WALKING AWAY with out a release command - I said "ahhh" and she hit the deck again AND ROLLED and looked at me like "What's next Mom?"
He was pissed.
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Post by Brooke on Feb 25, 2004 13:37:16 GMT -5
hahaha that sounds so familiar! I wonder where I've seen that before? He gets SO ticked off but manages to take credit everywhere we go at how they are trained. Doesn't even give me credit for it. Now that burns me. I ask him "Really? What books did you read, trainers you've worked with, videos you've watched, websites or forums you frequent let alone own?" when we are alone. He just looks away trying to think of something to say
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Post by sibemom on Feb 25, 2004 15:15:05 GMT -5
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Post by Nicole on Feb 25, 2004 17:18:17 GMT -5
I think there is a difference depending upon the circumstance.
For example, a dog who acts up when a non pack member approaches, is a dog who thinks it is his job (as the leader) to protect the owner. And yes I think in his mind he is saying that you are his and that it is his job to protect you. I think in that circumstance there is confusion as to rank position. The leader (owner) should be the protector and the only one to decide if and when protecting is necessary. And you should decide as leader, not the dog, who you say hello to. When this would occur with Reign, I always corrected him and eventually he got the point.
On the other hand, a dog that nudges or growls away his sibling is probably showing pank rank over the sibling (as opposed to owner) making a statement that he is entitled to the attention because he out ranks the dog. I don't have that problem but if I did I wouldn't allow it because again, you should decide who gets attention and when, although I would make sure to always give attention first to the higher ranking dog. But when it is the turn of the other, he should step aside and behave.
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Post by Laura on Feb 25, 2004 17:30:25 GMT -5
Nicki, that was pretty much dead on, it usually is dominance confusion. My dogs are taught to stand behind me when I come to a stop, since I am the one who takes care of everything in their world . I interact with whom I want, when I want, period. If I couldn't do this, I couldn't foster strange dogs. I do make sure to keep the hierarchy happy though, Loki first, Layla second, fosters third, etc. The siblings to tend to get snotty with each other on occasion when the strange dog gets attention from one of them, not from me ;D.
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Post by Willow on Feb 25, 2004 19:16:16 GMT -5
Nicki, once again you nailed it dead on! I am beginning to think it's time for the younger ones to take over and the *old bat* to retire.
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