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Post by sibemom on Sept 25, 2006 11:10:46 GMT -5
Well I am glad you are going over to Leerburg and sing up, I think that will be a good place for you to learn more. I also think that you should express your beleifs in the same manner you have here. They like someone who can be direct in their approach. Do not hold back, address the issue head on, and get into some serious discussion with Ed Frawley, in fact once you join over there and have posted a few times do not be afraid to email him directly. He is a great guy Now as far as this board goes and even though I am not a moderator, please lighten up just a bit, I do not think anyone has been rude, and no we have no problem with newbies coming in and expressing their beliefs and oppinons or techniques, but remember what is says at the beggining of Cesars show, DO NOT TRY THESE METHODS WITHOUT CONSULTING A PROFFESIONAL. I is a very touchy thing to advise people how to deal with aggresive dogs through Cyberspace. I think you get my point .
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Post by willow on Sept 25, 2006 11:11:12 GMT -5
Mister "moderator" didnt like when i told him that i didnt think that you need OB training in a dog to be well behaved and it seems he toke it personal, I can't speak for Richard, but I don't think he took it personal, Juan, but none of us liked being told that what we are doing is not "needed". Maybe to you it isn't, and more power to you, but to us it is needed, because we want our dogs to "come", " down" "sit" etc. when we ask them to. I am sure without it you can have a well behaved dog in the sense that he will be "seen and not heard" so to speak, but to owner's whose dogs are a big part of their life, or maybe IS their life, our dogs have to execute simple obedience commands on cue at times. How else do you control them? For instance: You have company and your dog goes up to them and starts sniffing them, as dogs do you know. Would you give them a neck poke and Shhhhhhhhhhhht to get them away from the person? Wouldn't you have to then do that every time they went up to some one to sniff? Wouldn't it be much better if you just told them to go lie down? Or do you just let them sniff the person as obnoxious as they may get, "because that is what dogs do?" I could go on and on, but I will stop here. No, you don't have to change it. I only found it offensive because since we don't really know you except by your constant Cesar quotes and then contradictory explanation in your own words, I assumed that is who you saw yourself as. Juan, everyone here will be glad to have you stay and discuss dog training or behavior, but as I said before: If you are going to quote Cesar or anyone else, leave it at that. Don't try to explain the quote in your own words. We all understand Cesar very well. Also, if you want to join in a discussion and tell us in your own words, from your own experience what you would do differently, we will be glad to listen, but if we don't agree with what you have said, because we have tried it and found it doesn't work, we will tell you. ;D You can do the same to us, but only from your own experience and in your own words. Not that I haven't quoted Cesar a time or two to get a point across or show another way to do some thing, but I can also think for myself and have personal experience to back up what I say. I hope this makes sense.
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Post by Laura on Sept 25, 2006 11:27:50 GMT -5
I have had enough of this.
Juan, aggression and viciousness are NOT interchangeable and if you had any kind of ethology training or even common sense you would know that.
Reading Millans; book and then using his techniques does NOT make you a trainer who should be dispensing advice, period. If you want to share your experiences that is fine, but you may NOT preach it as gospel because it worked on a few dogs for you.
Being able to discuss learning theory along with scientific trialing and putting that into practice makes you experienced. Nobody on this forum would put down any theories you had if you had the cojones to tell people WHY it works, not just "your energy will bring you magical results and claw biting your 5 month old puppy with show it who's boss".
There are members on this forum who have decades of experience working with dogs on a professional level, perhaps you should LISTEN to them. Anf if you think you can post like this on Leerburg, I can promise you they will rip you apart, if you think we're tough, they eat their young over there when it comes to dangerous training.
Heed my advice, this will be your last warning, I will NOT tolerate unsound training practices on a forum that is seen by the general public, period.
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